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Do you have the right to be an atheist?
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
(June 29, 2015 at 12:23 am)pool Wrote: Edit: @ Esquilax , i'm not expecting you to believe my beliefs and its not my intention,my intention is to seek help from this community members in helping me solve this argument i have against the non-existence of a god.I want people to tell me if i'm right or wrong and provide me with sufficient data to prove their point.That's all i want,i don't want anything more.

There's your problem right there: your entire argument is a double dose of shifting the burden of proof, if you're going to phrase it as an argument against the non-existence of god. In the first case, "we don't know everything, and we have no evidence against the existence of god," is shifting the burden of proof, which all positive arguments have, by expecting that we provide proof of a negative. In the second, you're asking us to disprove an argument that hasn't met it's initial burden of proof, which we don't really need to do.

Quote:You said that i must establish possibility before i talk about the probability of a "God".What about the probability of the possibility?

I'd say you're making a distinction without a difference, there.

Quote:According to me the possibility is existent.Why?I would agree that it is impossible if:

*Every life form in earth(an eg being humans)had a "standard".
As in,every humans would have a fixed amount of IQ and other human qualities.Which is not the case a person can be retarded and another person can be a genius.A person can be short and another person can be tall.We see such diversity even in humans(we are more different than same?).Furthermore we see animals that have eyes in their mouth??A human with extraordinary memory but average in other aspects,a person that can calculate faster than a calculator??I think that this diversity is proof enough that further diversities are possible.And considering the fact that there are countless other planets and countless possibilities of life across the universe these diversities can be further "diverse".And if a being can have atleast 1 diversity which is atleast 1 of the characteristics of "God" then another being can have atleast 2 diversities which are the same diversities a supernatural power such as "God" may exibit.Doesn't that make it possible for the existence of a god?

Well, if you're going to argue based on the observations of diverse characteristics you see in reality, then by the same token you need to remember that, thus far, such observations do not contain any supernatural elements, and in fact directly contradict them, as every time we've ever encountered a supernatural claim, it later turned out to be entirely mundane.

And if your argument ultimately boils down to "we see a lot of stuff, therefore anything is possible," then I'd have to say no, that's not true. You won't, for example, find a square circle anywhere in the universe, simply by definition, and that alone is sufficient to split reality into two sets: the possible and the impossible. We have no way of determining that god is in the "possible" set.

All that having been said, this is still kinda irrelevant to atheism, given that, as others have said, our position generally isn't that there is no god, merely that it's irrational to believe in something without sufficient evidence. "It's possible," is not sufficient evidence to incite belief, and hence the god claim gets none, making me an atheist. It's also possible that Bigfoot exists: why would I believe in Bigfoot on that alone?
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Jenny A - June 28, 2015 at 11:41 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by vorlon13 - June 29, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Esquilax - June 29, 2015 at 12:18 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Esquilax - June 29, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by c172 - June 29, 2015 at 12:25 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 29, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 4:44 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 5:19 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 5:35 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by abaris - June 29, 2015 at 5:25 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 5:27 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 7:51 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 7:58 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Tonus - June 29, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Tonus - June 29, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Tonus - June 29, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by brewer - June 29, 2015 at 9:00 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by robvalue - June 29, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Tonus - June 29, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by robvalue - June 29, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 29, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Tonus - June 29, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 29, 2015 at 2:30 pm
Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Easy Guns - June 29, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 29, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 30, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 30, 2015 at 12:38 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 29, 2015 at 4:21 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 29, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - June 29, 2015 at 3:51 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Spooky - June 29, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Iroscato - June 30, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 30, 2015 at 4:31 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cyberman - June 30, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 30, 2015 at 5:50 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 30, 2015 at 6:27 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 30, 2015 at 7:15 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 30, 2015 at 7:36 am
Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Easy Guns - June 30, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Alex K - June 30, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Tonus - June 30, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by KUSA - June 30, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 2, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by comet - July 2, 2015 at 8:53 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 4, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 5, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 5, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Exian - July 5, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 5, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 5:26 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 5:32 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 6:01 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 6:09 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 9:14 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 9:20 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 10:07 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 12:45 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 2:13 pm
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RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Chas - July 6, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 6, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 7, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist? - by Cato - July 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm
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