RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
June 29, 2015 at 2:41 pm
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2015 at 2:52 pm by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
(June 29, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(June 29, 2015 at 1:51 pm)pool Wrote: I'm getting a headache just by looking at this thread now.
It would be better off for me to simplify things.
This is what i think:
1*Aliens exist.
2*Superior Aliens exist.
3*Aliens have supernatural powers.
4*God is a "Supreme being" or a being that possesses supernatural powers that are beyond comprehensible for humans.
5*A Superior Alien race fit into the description of a god.
6*So Superior aliens are Gods.
7*Therefore Gods exist.
Tell me which part of my arguments are wrong and don't just say "its wrong" just because you think so,provide me with enough convincing information too.
Most of us think that the probability of a God in the universe is non-existent but believes in the existence of Aliens anyway.......
@Tonus , Thanks. :
EDIT: I gave my points in the most simplified manner assuming that you're read through the detailed description of arriving at there point already,if you haven't please read that first or my points would look unconvincing.
I'll respond to each of your poiints:
1. The likelihood of this being true are extremely high. Think of the numbers: 200 billion galaxies, each with 100+ billion stars, an unbelievably high number of planets, building blocks of life found in meteors and water in interstellar space. So yes, the probability that a high number of planets have life is great.
2. Also very high probability, given the numbers of galaxies, stars, planets, building blocks of life, etc. Have they visited earth? Very, very improbable.
3. How did you reach this conclusion? Why would other intelligences, if they exist, be able to suspend the laws of physics?
4. Yes, that is one of the many definitions of a god given by believers.
5. No it doesn't. An advanced alien race would come about via the same sorts of natural processes that humans have. If their technology is advanced enough, it may appear to be magic and god like, but there is no reason to actually believe it is.
6. Nope. Just extremely advanced intelligences, that are able to use technology at a much higher level than current human technology.
Our current technology would look supernatural to humans just a couple of hundred years ago. Doesn't make it supernatural, does it?
7. Nope. Just super advanced aliens.
First of all thank you for an actual reply.
As for my counter reply:
(I'll be as descriptive as possible)
3. Imagine yourself sitting inside a dark room and suddenly a person appear in front of you,smiles at you and then suddenly vanishes.
This is a supernatural occurence right?
What basically happened here is this:
*A being is teleported in front of you.
*This being is teleported from you.
Teleportation is a theoretical possibility humans have just not yet developed any practical implementation.
See how i said "Superior Alien" race?An alien race that have tackled this problem will have the technological means of performing teleportation which would make them
supernatural with respect to us(since we are yet not familiar with the possibility of such a phenomenon and hence can't explain it,however they appear normal to themselves because they are familiar with this phenomenon.).But the fact remains that they are supernatural to US.
5. Refer to 3.
6. I said that these Superior Aliens are similar to or have similar attributes such as a God because of how they can perform "Supernatural" things with respect to us,i think supernatural is a very relative term and we should understand it.What Supernatural to X may not be Supernatural to Y because Y can understand this phenomenon.
"Our current technology would look supernatural to humans just a couple of hundred years ago. Doesn't make it supernatural, does it?"
Of course it doesn't make it supernatural - to US.But it IS supernatural to the humans than are from a couple of hundred years ago.
7. Refer everything above.
