(June 29, 2015 at 3:31 pm)pool Wrote:(June 29, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: You are misunderstanding what it means for something to be beyond scientific understanding, and what it means for something to be beyond current scientific understanding. If airplanes were around when Romans were conquering the known world, they would not have been supernatural then, just as they are not supernatural now.
I see the point you are trying to make.But i don't think you understand what i'm trying to convey.
Consider that humans didn't have any scientific proof for even the theoretical aspect of teleportation.
Consider that in a distant planet species X did have the scientific proof for the theoretical aspect of teleportation and the practical implementation of teleportation.
According to humans scientific understanding(i'm not saying current scientific understanding)teleportation is impossible.
According to X's scientific understanding teleportation is possible.
So according to humans teleportation is supernatural because they do not have a clear scientific understanding of how the phenomenon works.
So according to X's teleportation is natural because they have a clear scientific understanding of how the phenomenon works.
When i said current scientifc understanding i meant as in the scientific understanding at time t(t being the current time).
What i meant was that current scientific understanding of concept 'g' = scientific understanding of concept 'g' at time t.
If the concept 'g' was discovered/invented at time 't' as of then it is natural but as in time t-n it is supernatural because at time t-n their scientific understanding was not equal to the scientific understanding at time t.When i said current scientific understanding i was trying to explain how,concept 'g' discovered/invented at time 't' and is entirely normal may be supernatural at time t-n(because the scientific knowledge at time t directly contradicts with the scientific knowledge at time t-n),by using time to further emphasize the relativity in question.
I think I am starting to get a taste of the frustration others here are having with your posts.
It doesn't matter if every human ever born believes it is supernatural, based on their belief that it is impossible, if another race has discovered how to do it, it is not supernatural.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.