Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Tonus]

You are absolutely hilarious Ton.

Deliberately so, which is the difference between us.

With the capitalist system on the brink of total collapse you reckon that we are progressing?

So you pull some random thought out of thin air and decide that it means that we aren't progressing technologically and scientifically?

But let us stick to your researchers.
Oh, they date back a century ago!
Well, well Ton, Shiva date back not hundreds but few thousand years and his system is still valid these days.

Yes, over the past few centuries we have progressed in leaps and bounds. This progression accelerated considerably when we developed the scientific method and started to abandon the "make stuff up" method that was responsible for gods and spirits and souls. I wouldn't say that the "make stuff up" method is still valid these days. It does still get used, as we see examples of in this forum all the time. But it is a method that halts progress, and does so deliberately. The fact that we continue to learn and progress shows that the suggestion that we knew everything worth knowing a few thousand years ago is wrong.

As for who will have the last laugh? You're a bit late to that party, Rik. We don't have to wait to find out who is right or wrong. Your gods left town once we started asking the tough questions, and they haven't returned. You can wait around if you want, but the rest of us have stuff to do, and I'm not going to waste time waiting for your imaginary friends to knock on the door. But you go right on keeping a vigil, buddy. I guess the world needs lampposts, after all.