RE: "Free Will" Belief/Disbelief Poll
October 9, 2010 at 9:44 pm
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2010 at 9:49 pm by ib.me.ub.)
(October 4, 2010 at 5:43 pm)theVOID Wrote: Why would we not want to act? The risk is too great not to.
Under your definition, you do not have a 'want'. It seems for you there is some magical force making you do things, independent of yourself.
(October 5, 2010 at 6:52 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Things can already be predicted, it is already known, in this world even if this is an indeterministic one.That is fate then!!!
...I don't deny determinism though.
EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:And furthermore, what if the Police are determined to fail at preventing the criminal from committing his crime?
They arn't, so you will get caught. This is a classic example of your flawed logic. What if........then a totally random example with no significance.
(October 5, 2010 at 7:12 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: There is only freedom from things.
What! What are things?
(October 5, 2010 at 7:49 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Physical freedom exists but that's it. My will is not free. My will is what drives me. I am only free in the sense a car driven by an unfree robot is free..... I am physically free. A bird has freedom in the sense it has the ability or "freedom" to fly. But it are we are both not free in the sense that what actually drives us, our wills, aren't free.
This is ridiculous. A bird has the freedom to fly!!! So, we don't have the freedom to walk, run or fly a plane. Another example of your severly flawed logic.
Your will is not what drives you. This is a massive assumption. One that I will not prescribe too.
(October 6, 2010 at 6:38 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: And the present is already present. The moment you think you have changed it it has already become the past. So how can you change that?
As theVOID says, I don't believe in free will because I don't believe we are acausal.
You think ahead.
You two seem to be thinking along the same flawewd logic lines. And you both sound like serial killers. I hope this force (or whatever this independent thing that drives you is) dosen't make you do something stupid. You may have a very long time to think about it.
And, im not going to answer your flawed logic & semantics any more, unless ofcourse, I choose to do so. lol