RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
July 7, 2015 at 10:47 pm
(This post was last modified: July 7, 2015 at 10:58 pm by popsthebuilder.)
(July 7, 2015 at 9:51 pm)Cato Wrote:Not the Christian trinity. That is the whole problem with christians, not Christianity.(July 7, 2015 at 6:55 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: A true self is the one that gets second guessed all the time by th e other self. There are definitely two or three sides to everyone. A straight forward rightious,
A manipulative selfish,
And an observer that only contemplates. That's how it is for me anyway. I like to consider the one that is noble, and selfless as my true self, but really it is just a majority, and only that by sheer will and guidance from recognition that there are three. Probably makes no sense but I'm ducking nuts remember.
This is perhaps your most sane contribution on these forums. Two or three 'sides' to everyone? Shit, whatever number you settle on I'll hang an exponent on it.
The problem I have with the way you describe it is the notion that this number equates to multiple 'selves'. Instead of wrestling and reconciling with the complexity of being a human, you have turned it into a cage match between different 'selves'. I would love to continue the conversation thinking that by 'the other self' you are being metaphorical, but your previous posts suggest you take this literally because of the idea of the Christian trinity.
There is a righteous. It is most powerful in a completely straight forward and obvious way. This is seen throughout the Universe as all creation. It is reflected internally as well.
In all forms it is obvious, decisive, instinctual, and pure.
The nameless side, as I consider it for many reasons is strictly in us. And other animals in much smaller doses. It cannot be observed throughout creation, in this reality. It is contorted, driven, malicious, hasty after thought, hidden, self justifying, blinding, insidious and has the potential to be all ruining and damming.
The third element is potential/ chaos and balance. It can be observed throughout the Universe as the forces that bind everything together, and have limitless potential. Endless energy. This can be observed in us as potential too. It is when one has knowledge for good or bad yet doesn't act on this knowledge due to detachment from oneself, also called indifference. This too can be observed as endless potential in that if all individuals were United as one with each other and the Universe the possibilities are endless either for righteousness or the force that pulls opposite at every interval and in between.
Really not trying to sound all preachy but rocks, plants, lower animal life, galaxies, they don't get free will. That was for however very few types of beings that have dominated and conquered there immediate environment. It is opportunity for greatness. We are the puzzle peice to existence. If only we could form ourselves to fit.
(July 7, 2015 at 9:17 pm)JuliaL Wrote: How can I be anything but my true self?Being a true you would entail doing every possible thing at every possible time in a manner that is true to your good side.
I am only me.
It may be the case that I can be split into internal factions. Perhaps one identifiable part feels attraction while another feels revulsion. Both are components of the construction that is 'me.' Internal conflicts get resolved, or don't. They still are lumped to make up 'me.'
Any external perspective on this depends on the observer, whether they are a lumper or a splitter.
My past is only memory, my future is only a prediction. At the moment, I am 'me' and can be no other. Hence I am the true me, my true self.
Over time, I may find I have changed and compare what I was to what I am. But at any given time, I am me and can be no other.
Horribly difficult, yet grandly rewarding.
No I have not achieved this. I am more devoted every day though.
