RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 11, 2015 at 4:18 am
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2015 at 4:55 am by robvalue.)
Let me see if I can construct a generic apologetics argument:
2) God can do what he wants because no one can stop him.
3) God gets to say what is and isn't "good", because no one can stop him doing so.
4) God says everything he does is good, so it is. Because he says so.
5) God isn't constrained by logic or arguments, because he invented those in the first place. So if you think you've found a way to show that anything about god or his actions are incoherent, contradictory or impossible, you're wrong and he is right.
6) Everything is evidence that god exists. My god, that is.
So we can see by point 6 that god does exist, and by point 5 there can be freewill in heaven without contradicting sin and free will being intertwined.
Whoops, did I miss out the first part of the argument? Yes, apologists always miss out this point. Here it is:
1) I presume to speak for god.
Well, I'll stop you right there. You can presume whatever you want. If god wants to say something, let him say it. You'd think of all people he wouldn't have trouble communicating. Is he locked in a soundproof dungeon? And if so, how exactly can you hear him?
2) God can do what he wants because no one can stop him.
3) God gets to say what is and isn't "good", because no one can stop him doing so.
4) God says everything he does is good, so it is. Because he says so.
5) God isn't constrained by logic or arguments, because he invented those in the first place. So if you think you've found a way to show that anything about god or his actions are incoherent, contradictory or impossible, you're wrong and he is right.
6) Everything is evidence that god exists. My god, that is.
So we can see by point 6 that god does exist, and by point 5 there can be freewill in heaven without contradicting sin and free will being intertwined.
Whoops, did I miss out the first part of the argument? Yes, apologists always miss out this point. Here it is:
1) I presume to speak for god.
Well, I'll stop you right there. You can presume whatever you want. If god wants to say something, let him say it. You'd think of all people he wouldn't have trouble communicating. Is he locked in a soundproof dungeon? And if so, how exactly can you hear him?
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