(July 14, 2015 at 9:16 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 14, 2015 at 9:05 am)Drich Wrote: Never been married have you?
I have worked with married couples in the past in the church, and without getting too detailed, let just say john and Sally have been trying to have a baby. They have tried the romantic stuff for a year, and Sally says it's time to see a doctor, both go and get checked out, and the prognosis is that conception will be difficult due to some abnormality. So now sex ceases to be a 'fun activity' and it becomes about "time and temperatures". Meaning for the guy "sexual fasting 3 to 5 day before the 'event' and then made to perform according to a clock or thermometer. Now for some couples this goes on for a prolonged period of time. In my work I have noted that both sides of the marriage can feel resentment towards another, meaning the don't want, desire or lust after sex, but both consent to it.
That is Just One way one or both people in a marriage can not want sex but consent to it and it in no way resembles rape.
For you guys to onlt see sex one way (What people want/lust after) only shows how selfish you are as a potential lover, and because others are not so selfish or reminded that they should not be, you take offense...
At the risk of getting warned for flaming...Drich, you are a pig.
Consent works in a marriage the same way it does in any other relationship. The fact that you do not understand this should terrify any woman who knows your thoughts on the matter, your wife included. You are NEVER, EVER, EVER entitled to another human being's body, and neither is anyone else. We know the Christian bible says otherwise, and frankly, that's the point. The bible is horrible for a lot of reasons, and one of the ugliest reasons is that it condones rape in various capacities.
You can't counter the argument that the bible is horrible because it orders married people to consent to each other by saying, "But the bible says married people HAVE to consent to each other." We know that. That's our argument. Get a fucking clue.
Not true.
The paradigm set forth in the bible of Marriage is not of two indivisuals, but one one. You can't say biblical marriage is like every other relationship because it is not. God/Paul is building something far better than any TWO INDIVISUALS Could ever build on their own. We are to become One Flesh. This doesn't just refer to sex, but we together become a single symbotic being in two bodies. we stop living for self and live and act as one. When two become one, they are far stronger than they were on their own. This is the picture of marriage The bible is building, not the selfish relationships where partners are kept at arms length. If my wife and I are one, then we care for each other as ourselves. We don't neglect our selves, we don't punish ourselves, we don't ignore ourselves. Rather we deeply care for one another so much so we put the other's needs before our own (as indivisuals)
