"Free Will" Belief/Disbelief Poll

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There is no flawed logic, you just don't have a clue what the issues are, which is entirely typical for you.

It is also typical of you obviously. This is why you get on my nerves. You think it is ok you to sprout off and say whatevr you like, but when someone else does it about you, they are the worst person in the your World.

What do you think the necessary mechanism is for free will?{/quote]

Evolution of the brain to a certain level of self awarness.

Massive segments of information in the brain have to break causality and act according to some entirely different non-mechanism, so do you have any idea what that non-mechanism is? And how can you show that it exists?

Self-awareness. It exist because I understand that I am a self controlled sentient being, as most people do.

So, I do not think that free will is acuasal. It has causality and can be proven to exist. It is caused by the way a complex brain (be it human or otherwise) has evolved to understand the self. Why we understand is another topic.

1. The fact that i have wants is self evident saying otherwise is just absurd, the meaning of the word does not change whether my wants are caused or uncaused. I say they are fully caused by constituents operating under physical law, a causal chain that leads to each of my actions based on the totality of all psychological and physical processes involved prior to that moment. There is absolutely no way to discern between the two based on behavior because all of the same known behavioral phenomenon can be accounted for in each.

2. There is no 'magical force' making me do things, just the laws of nature playing out, some of it is of course independent of me, such as the situation, the laws of nature that allow for the nature of the chemical bonds in my body, the nature of my brain etc. So most of the resulting want has to do with factors that are entirely within me, but there are also external factors in play at every decision. All of the memories i have, all my knowledge and beliefs, previous experiences, social conditioning etc are all things that will cause me to act differently than given the same situation where these things are markedly different. This too is all part of causality, and i doubt you would argue that this doesn't happen.

I don't diagree with this, its called free will.