(July 16, 2015 at 4:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: Religions on the other hand do not practice spirituality.This will come as a shock to most religions, for whom spirituality is a primary and critical component. You keep claiming that they're different, yet your explanations simply show how they are the same.
Little Rik Wrote:If you born under a corrupted dictatorship you either put up with the sewer or you die in the effort to get rid of the rotten dictator.They DO have choices, especially today. People have overthrown oppressive governments in the past, and people have escaped oppressive governments in the past. Most people make the choice to not only remain under such a regime, but to work to support it. This is where religion can be at its worst, in that it either supports such regimes, is used by such regimes to maintain control, or is used by the people as a way to tolerate their oppressors.
You have no choices.
Attitudes like yours are why so many dictatorships still thrive in the modern age.
Little Rik Wrote:You think that by getting in one place at the end of the day you have accomplished something.Wow. How miserable and bitter must your life be, that you never feel as if you are making progress? If scientists had your approach to things, we would still be living in caves and thinking that rain was caused by the gods weeping. More likely, this is another case where you redefine a term in order to suit a point you are trying to make. At this point it's clear that you're being dishonest just to avoid conceding a point.
I got bad news for you Ton.
Someone is playing with you.
Little Rik Wrote:Let us see who is dishonest.You are. And this part is a clear example. You deleted the part of my post that you are responding to, before you quote the sources that you claim support what you said. This is something you haven't done in any of your previous posts during this discussion. Lets bring back those quotes and compare them directly:
YOU SAID: Ages ago
YOUR QUOTED SOURCE SAID: Recent malaria history is fraught with grand pronouncements that turned out to be baseless.
LIE NUMBER 1: "Ages ago" is not "recent."
YOU SAID: they say that they got rid of malaria.
YOUR QUOTED SOURCE SAID: "MALARIA VACCINE IS NEAR," announced a New York Times headline in 1984. "This is the last major hurdle," said one U.S. scientist quoted in the article. "There is no question now that we will have a vaccine.
LIE NUMBER 2: They did not say "they got rid of malaria." They said they were certain they would have a vaccine soon.
YOU SAID: malaria is still the No1 killer globally speaking.
YOUR QUOTED SOURCE SAID: It is a leading cause of death and disease in many developing countries.
LIE NUMBER 3: Being ONE OF the leading causes of death in SOME parts of the world is not "the number 1 killer globally speaking."
So not only were you dishonest in your initial claims, you were dishonest in your interpretation of your sources, and you dishonestly tried changing your claims several times in order to try and cover for your initial dishonesty. Now you deleted the portion of my post from your quote in order to make another attempt to cover for your dishonesty with MORE dishonesty! Did I NOT explain to you that your posts are still visible and your lies quite plain for all to see? Your lack of character is shocking, in light of the persona that you pretend to aspire to in your posts.
Little Rik Wrote:It is a reality that a step forward always go hand in hand with a step backwards.Errr... no. The monitor represents considerable progress on a number of levels. Your "step back" regarding radiation is so minimal that we can't even find a health risk in spite of ongoing research. Second, that monitor allows me to find information on the internet on how to eat better, exercise better, and live better, so that I can counteract the "sitting down and getting weaker" part as well. Like I said, lots and lots of steps forward for every step backwards.
The monitor that you are watching right now deliver you radiations and by sitting down you also get weaker plus plus all the rest.
Little Rik Wrote:But of course you are free to believe otherwise Ton.This condescension in light of how wrong you've been so far is just... bizarre.
Little Rik Wrote:What about you Ton.Two things:
How can you make any progress if you..........cling to wrong ideas.......such as believe in untested guessing that the mind is a function of the brain?
Science progresses because it does not cling to wrong ideas. Even when it comes to a conclusion that appears correct, people keep testing and working and researching, and often we overturn old theories and replace them with better ones.
Second, the fact that the mind is a function of the brain is not an untested guess. The beliefs and claims that you keep making about gods and spirits and souls? THOSE are untested guesses. I think it's very telling that you place more trust in your own beliefs based on untested guesses than you do on scientific research that must produce testable claims and verifiable results. You have it all backwards, and you appear willing to lie to both yourself and to others to maintain your delusion. The world is going to pass you by, Rik.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould