"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?

[Whateverist]

I guess the biggest stumbling block in giving you what you're asking, Cath-y, is that this is precisely where most of us go to vent about religion.  Any place else and I'm not in to it.  If people enjoyed mocking religion before you arrived, and who among us has not laughed at Bill Maher doing just that, you can't expect them to stop now that you're here, right?  

It is one thing to do something because you want to hurt someone versus wanting to do a thing and realizing that might happen.  In RL I don't make too many sacrifices for other people's feelings.  If we disagree or what they want and I want is incompatible, I don't think I owe it to anyone to sacrifice what I want.

I'm not talking about HERE, whateverist. And I'm not even talking about me specifically. I never said anything about people making fun of religion here.

I'm talking about in real life, to the face of a real life friend. And this conversation all started when Rhythm asked me about a religious friend of his. 

This is the problem with these online discussions. People don't read the conversations thoroughly and then start assuming I'm saying things I'm not actually saying lol. It's very frustrating.

Okay that is different.  But I thought your disappointment about Rob kudos'ing Vic or Kusa's post was actually about what happens here.


You know the original reason for the thread is one thing.  But the reason I asked you if it offended you probably was motivated more by trying to understand how well you are separating what people think about religion from what they think about you.  I doubt if any of us has a religious relative we wouldn't trade for you in a heartbeat.  You are like the ideal religious person to interact with.

But .. sometimes you come off a little bit like Ms Manners.  Does anyone else tell you that?  Thinking and talking about what one does or should do if one cares about a person makes sense when people subscribe to the same objective moral foundation.  But that is kind of in question here.  While I like you a lot I have to say, I don't often think or talk about how people should behave.  

Oh sure, I'm quick to call out the assholes when I'm driving but then there is a (supposedly) shared foundation for expectations provided by the vehicle code.  But by and large I just don't spend much time thinking about how I and others should act.  I like to be spontaneous morally.  

Exploring the differences for me is fun but I don't want to go beyond what is fun for you.  Do we need a safe word?