(November 29, 2009 at 10:24 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Sorry Rabbit you seem to have strayed off subject. You need to substantiate your reasoning that faith is unnecessary.Well it seems you are not fully grasping my point. You said that christianity explicitly requires belief to understand it.
I am not saying that faith is unneccessary to belief, quite the contrary, imo there really is no other option then to shut down reason in the process of believing and contrary to ample evidence simply accept on faith. And you could have belief in Rabbitism by doing so. But I am saying that faith does not add up to understanding as in explaining facts of the world in terms of cause and effect since unconditional acceptance i.e. faith itself is needed to belief that the belief statements of christianity do indeed bare any meaning on the world in terms of cause and effect.
In other words, belief itself does not lead to understanding, it only leads to acceptance.
Also christianity as a cultural phenomenon can be studied with the faculty of reason in order to understand it and that does not require faith. So we should make a distinction between understanding christianity as a cultural phenomenon which requires no faith, and understanding the meaning of belief statements themself, which requires basic knowledge of language. Saying that you need faith to understand belief does not necessarily imply that you understand anything in terms of cause and effect just that you accept fairy tales as an accurate account of what happened and will happen.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0