RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
June 23, 2017 at 4:01 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 4:02 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 23, 2017 at 3:27 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(June 23, 2017 at 2:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Neat little description of the relationship between atheism and agnosticism.
An agnostic atheist is how I'd describe myself, though with certain definitions of gods I'd feel confident saying they definitely don't exist (a god that violates the laws of logic, for example).
Is there any well-formed definition of God about which you are agnostic, or only the general idea?
I'd say I'm gnostic on the absence of Abrahamic gods, Krshna, etc. etc.: I'm a gnostic atheist. But on the general question "Do you believe God exists?" then I find it very hard to answer that: under some definitions, I may think God is necessary, under others, impossible. It's a kind of quantum superposition, where the answer is determined by how we interact with it, rather than any truth value of its own.
For example, if you say, "God is that which allows for existence rather than non-existence" I'd say it's a pretty unusual definition, but it's necessarily true, and mysterious enough maybe to be worth calling it that.
For what it's worth, any god that is as simplistic as "God is that which allows for existence rather than non-existence" is literally defining god into existence, and I don't even bother with those. It's not even cogent enough to have a position on - I could define god as the physical laws of the universe if I wanted.
Like I said, I'm agnostic on the existence of "god or gods," but when it comes to specific gods I'd be more gnostic (like the ones you mention).
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