No Trans In The Military Says Trump

[Javaman]

Your initial claim was that recent legislation made it a criminal offence in Canada to use the wrong gender pronoun when addessing transgendered people. I pointed out that the claim was false.

Ontario's in Canada.

Rather than acknowledging the initial claim was wrong, you then shifted the goalposts to suggest there may be repercussions in civil legal jurisdictions, such as the Ontario Human Rights tribunal, if a private individual uses the wrong pronoun when addressing a trans person. Even when reading through the heavily biased sources you provide, it's so unlikely that a private individual would face any repercussions whatsoever for using the wrong pronoun, that it is frankly irrational to present them as cautionary examples.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions.  Here's something that is NOT an assumption-- rather than legislating rules about conduct and trying violators in a court of law with normal legal remedies, they have a tribunal which is allowed to arbitrate.  Have you seen the exact rules by which they will arbitrate?  No, I don't think you have, and neither have I.  But I know that gym is out a lot of money, unless the whole story is a lie.  Do you think it's a lie?

Your anti-trans bias is showing by identifying them as "not normal". Not to mention your prior descriptions of such things as bullshit.

A woman with a penis is not normal, and a penis in a woman's dressing room is not normal.  You are considering too much the special snowflake, and not the women to whom exposure of male genitalia in any other context would be considered sexual assault.

I'm fine with people thinking or feeling however they want, and I'll call a man "Brenda" and refer to him as "she" if he wants me to.  However, to expect the many to conform to the emotional needs of the few is not only oppressive but it fails to meet the basic principle of the greater good.

So much wrong to respond to... not sure how to go about it, to be honest.

First, nice to see you acknowledge, in a completely indirect way, that your initial claim was wrong: it is NOT a crime in Canada to use the "wrong" pronoun when addressing transsexuals. Let's get that out of the way first. And yes, Ontario is in Canada, and it's pretty much next to impossible for a Canadian not to be aware of that fact. Still doesn't make incorrect use of pronouns a crime. Can't figure out how you missed that utterly crucial point.

You admit you have no knowledge of the rules an arbitrator must follow when making decisions, but simultaneously conclude that the arbitrator is wrong because the decision cost the gym owner money... umm... what? It doesn't matter what I think is a lie or the truth. That's the whole point of the arbitration process. The arbitration process is very specifically about the application of relevant legislation by independent, knowledgeable experts. The arbitrator concluded the gym was in the wrong. Don't turn the decision into a whole "OMG the LGBTQ community is conducting a Coup of society and everything!" That makes you look like an idiot. The gym owner was in the wrong... no conspiracy needed.

Your comments about what is normal is frankly.... abnormal.