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Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
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Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing. Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say. This is where we get rape culture from.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
They should report it (and early).  Any evidence should be collected, and it should proceed as the evidence allows.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
About 10 years ago, a co-worker attempted to choke me after a heated sales vs. engineering dispute. We were alone in the room although people in the adjacent room heard us arguing. It left no bruises but nevertheless I filed a police report. Even though the owner and the co-worker were close personal friends, I told him what had happened. My only request was that I be allowed to work off-site for a while and not be required to meet with the co-worker alone. I was told that wasn't going to happen and asked what I was hoping to get out of this, implying I had ulterior motives. So I left that job and soon after someone sent me a turd in the mail. Despite my earnest efforts to find a new job, I was out of work for almost a year. I saw a different therapist a couple of times to help process what happened and I prayed for my co-worker.

My personal opinion is this. I never truly expected anything to happen to my co-worker in a company of less than 50 workers and him being a friend of the owner. Still I thought it was important to make what happen known to the parties involved so that if it happened again perhaps something would happen. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. I've moved on. Later I heard from other former co-workers that the guy was taking anger-management classes. I'm glad he's getting help and I wish him well.
<insert profound quote here>
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 11, 2018 at 9:49 am)Divinity Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing.  Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say.  This is where we get rape culture from.

Isn't supposed to be the job of the police and procecution to find evidence and convince a judge or jury of the guilt of someone. If it's not the job of the accused to prove his innocence, it certainly the job of the victim to prove its guilt.
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 11, 2018 at 9:49 am)Divinity Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing.  Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say.  This is where we get rape culture from.

I don't see what you claim her saying in the article linked.  Is this an accurate quote?  

Also, I don't believe that there is a "rape culture" running rampant in the country.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 11, 2018 at 9:55 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: They should report it (and early).  Any evidence should be collected, and it should proceed as the evidence allows.

Yep, the quicker it can be reported and DNA evidence collected, the quicker some asshole can be caught. 

To play devil advocate a smidge (and before I mention this, I am in no way condoning rape or anything of that nature) any crime should be reported generally, although obviously in this day and age, most know that evidence is needed to secure a conviction, so it "sort of" makes sense to say something like that "Don't report a crime unless you can prove it". In saying that, the education for women [and men] should be: As soon as you can report what has happened and seek help. 

My understanding is that if DNA is still present (in the form of sperm or skin under the nails etc) this can be used/tested accordingly, but this isn't around forever. That along with visable injuries/signs of rape [which can be documented] will easily build the case for a full conviction of the person commiting these crimes.

Right now, many women are coming forward, and rightly so, about past experiences. We all understand that some women won't or can't tell their story for various different reasons, but if we as people and those coming out now can say "IF something like this happens, get it checked out NOW to make sure whoever did this gets caught and goes to prison, and possibly as importantly, doesn't do this to anybody else" then we can hopefully work towards a lower rate of such things occurring.

If I've offended anybody with anything I've said, that's 100% not my intention and please feel free to correct me accordingly.
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
Quote:They should report it (and early).  
So you can invent a new excuse to reject them .It does not matter how long .

Quote:Any evidence should be collected, and it should proceed as the evidence allows.
You don't actually believe that  Dodgy

Quote:Isn't supposed to be the job of the police and procecution to find evidence and convince a judge or jury of the guilt of someone. If it's not the job of the accused to prove his innocence, it certainly the job of the victim to prove its guilt.
Rubbish
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 11, 2018 at 10:44 am)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:They should report it (and early).  
So you can invent a new excuse to reject them .It does not matter how long .

So you don't think that it becomes more difficult to gather evidence as time passes? Waiting for an oppurtune time to make claims with little evidence to support them, also doesn't help ones case. I stand by reporting early, and even if one doesn't think anything will come from it. It should still be investigated and on record (sooner rather than later).

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Quote:Any evidence should be collected, and it should proceed as the evidence allows.
You don't actually believe that  Dodgy


This is your problem.... you make things up, and then just call anyone liars, which doesn't fit your worldview. It's a disconnect from reality really.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
Quote:So you don't think that it becomes more difficult to gather evidence as time passes? Waiting for an oppurtune time to make claims with little evidence to support them, also doesn't help ones case. I stand by reporting early, and even if one doesn't think anything will come from it. It should still be investigated and on record (sooner rather than later).
It does not matter when they choose to come forward it should be treated the same 


Quote:This is your problem.... you make things up, and then just call anyone liars, which doesn't fit your worldview. It's a disconnect from reality really.
No that's not my problem i'm afraid. Your problem is i'm telling the truth and your the one disconnected from reality .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 11, 2018 at 11:03 am)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:So you don't think that it becomes more difficult to gather evidence as time passes? Waiting for an oppurtune time to make claims with little evidence to support them, also doesn't help ones case. I stand by reporting early, and even if one doesn't think anything will come from it. It should still be investigated and on record (sooner rather than later).
It does not matter when they choose to come forward it should be treated the same 

I agree, but it's better (all around) to come forward early, rather than to wait.

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Quote:This is your problem.... you make things up, and then just call anyone liars, which doesn't fit your worldview. It's a disconnect from reality really.
No that's not my problem i'm afraid. Your problem is i'm telling the truth and your the one disconnected from reality .

I don't think that you are in a position to state what I believe.   That you think you are; is yet further evidence of the above.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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