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Travis Walton versus The Resurrection.
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RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection.
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(November 23, 2017 at 2:06 am)Jehanne Wrote: I do not believe that the Gospel of John contains a single saying of the historical Jesus.  I think that the Gospel of Thomas does, however, contain some historical sayings of Jesus.  Do you agree?  If not, why not?

 I believe the opposite of your belief because men far smarter and guided by God chose what gospels were to be placed in the NT.

GC

Your knowledge of history is just terrible:

Quote:8. It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is scattered throughout all the world, and the "pillar and ground" 1 Timothy 3:15 of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, the Artificer of all, He that sits upon the cherubim, and contains all things, He who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit. As also David says, when entreating His manifestation, "You that sits between the cherubim, shine forth." For the cherubim, too, were four-faced, and their faces were images of the dispensation of the Son of God. For, [as the Scripture] says, "The first living creature was like a lion," Revelation 4:7 symbolizing His effectual working, His leadership, and royal power; the second [living creature] was like a calf, signifying [His] sacrificial and sacerdotal order; but "the third had, as it were, the face as of a man,"— an evident description of His advent as a human being; "the fourth was like a flying eagle," pointing out the gift of the Spirit hovering with His wings over the Church. And therefore the Gospels are in accord with these things, among which Christ Jesus is seated. For that according to John relates His original, effectual, and glorious generation from the Father, thus declaring, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 Also, "all things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made." For this reason, too, is that Gospel full of all confidence, for such is His person. But that according to Luke, taking up [His] priestly character, commenced with Zacharias the priest offering sacrifice to God. For now was made ready the fatted calf, about to be immolated for the finding again of the younger son. Matthew, again, relates His generation as a man, saying, "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham;" and also, "The birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise." This, then, is the Gospel of His humanity; for which reason it is, too, that [the character of] a humble and meek man is kept up through the whole Gospel. Mark, on the other hand, commences with [a reference to] the prophetical spirit coming down from on high to men, saying, "The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as it is written in Esaias the prophet,"— pointing to the winged aspect of the Gospel; and on this account he made a compendious and cursory narrative, for such is the prophetical character. And the Word of God Himself used to converse with the ante-Mosaic patriarchs, in accordance with His divinity and glory; but for those under the law he instituted a sacerdotal and liturgical service. Afterwards, being made man for us, He sent the gift of the celestial Spirit over all the earth, protecting us with His wings. Such, then, as was the course followed by the Son of God, so was also the form of the living creatures; and such as was the form of the living creatures, so was also the character of the Gospel. For the living creatures are quadriform, and the Gospel is quadriform, as is also the course followed by the Lord. For this reason were four principal (καθολικαί) covenants given to the human race: one, prior to the deluge, under Adam; the second, that after the deluge, under Noah; the third, the giving of the law, under Moses; the fourth, that which renovates man, and sums up all things in itself by means of the Gospel, raising and bearing men upon its wings into the heavenly kingdom. (Saint Irenaeus), Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 11)

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103311.htm

Yep, Saint Irenaeus believed in a flat Earth and that's why there are four Gospels!

You can have it!  It's just a bunch of ignorant nonsense.
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Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 11, 2017 at 1:44 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by vorlon13 - November 11, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2017 at 2:06 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 12, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2017 at 9:22 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Ravenshire - November 12, 2017 at 2:32 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by chimp3 - November 12, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 12, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by chimp3 - November 12, 2017 at 6:45 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Joods - November 12, 2017 at 6:50 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 12, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Joods - November 12, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 12, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by John V - November 12, 2017 at 9:49 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 12, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by chimp3 - November 16, 2017 at 8:02 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Minimalist - November 12, 2017 at 9:56 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by John V - November 13, 2017 at 7:15 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 13, 2017 at 8:18 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by John V - November 13, 2017 at 8:58 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Minimalist - November 13, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Grandizer - November 22, 2017 at 6:20 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 13, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by John V - November 13, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 16, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 16, 2017 at 8:59 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 18, 2017 at 2:10 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Fake Messiah - November 18, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 18, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 18, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Fake Messiah - November 18, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Succubus - November 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 18, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 20, 2017 at 3:05 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 20, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Fake Messiah - November 21, 2017 at 7:15 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 22, 2017 at 5:04 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Harry Nevis - November 22, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 22, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Harry Nevis - November 21, 2017 at 9:11 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2017 at 3:10 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 23, 2017 at 2:06 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 23, 2017 at 7:00 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 23, 2017 at 1:45 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 23, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 24, 2017 at 1:25 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2017 at 1:02 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 24, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by LostLocke - November 24, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 25, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 25, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 27, 2017 at 7:42 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Godscreated - November 29, 2017 at 4:59 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 19, 2017 at 4:36 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by downbeatplumb - November 18, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Jehanne - November 21, 2017 at 8:08 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Sal - November 21, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by JackRussell - November 27, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. - by Angrboda - November 29, 2017 at 8:21 pm

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