Travis Walton versus The Resurrection.

[Godscreated]

Well if you do not know that the Bible speaks of the innumerable stars then why should anyone believe what you say about the Bible speaking of a flat earth, it doesn't and it's been shown here and by Bible scholars. You need to get out of your little sealed up world of lies and join the rest of us who know the truth. You didn't answer my question by the way and no the answer he couldn't count doesn't hold water because you conveniently forget he wrote the book and thus he would have the ability to count.

GC

What the fuck are you talking about?  In book of Genesis stars during the making are only mentioned "he made the stars also." Then the next time stars are mentioned in book of Genesis is when god is saying to Abram "Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them" and Abram apparently counted them because the later verse goes "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."

 God told Abraham that his descendants would be as innumerable as the stars, the whole of the Israelites came from him and so did the Arab nations, way more than 6000.
Abraham trusted God and believed that there were more than the 6000 or so stars that could be seen with the naked eye. Abraham's righteousness as you have shown came from believing what God told him not what he could see.

GC

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 You totally reject God according to Jesus, He said either you are with me or you are against me. With God there is no inbetween. rejection of God is far more serious than put an name to it like silly idea.

 You must not read much I've said over the years, I do not deal in silly notions like your above character.

GC

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I think that Jesus was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet who started life in northern Galilee, but after preaching the end of the world and the deliverance by god from the Romans by the "Son of Man" (likely, an angelic being), he was encouraged by his followers to take his message to Jerusalem.  Shortly after arriving, Jesus went to the Temple, and after hearing him, some Jews took offense; there was an altercation, and Jesus was promptly arrested by the Roman authorities.  They examined him, and likely found him to be a deranged individual; after consulting with the local Jewish authorities (Roman federalism), Jesus was deemed a threat to the public order.  Pilate signed the order (likely, without ever meeting Jesus personally), and a Roman guard administered his punishment.  Once dead Jesus' body was removed from the cross and deposed of in a common grave, likely, being mutilated by wild dogs.

The rest of Jesus' story is legend and embellishment.  i don't believe that he ever said anything close to what you are claiming.

 Where did you get your information, I know it wasn't from the Bible. Made up stories are an atheist specialty and you seem to excel at this. read the Bible it will tell you all you need to know about Jesus and His life.

GC

[GrandizerII]

For one thing, Paul suffered greatly for his testimony and stuck to it. Who's to say Travis would keep it up if he suffered like Paul?

What suffering? Paul was living the life when he became a Christian!

[Harry Nevis]

 Where did you get your information, I know it wasn't from the Bible. Made up stories are an atheist specialty and you seem to excel at this. read the Bible it will tell you all you need to know about Jesus and His life.

GC

Irony is lost on you, isn't it?

[Whateverist]

Point of the OP is that eyewitness testimony is often not reliable!

And even more then that considering that it takes only few minutes to check to see that these ufo cases are total fraud and yet there are millions of people that believe in them. That have this great desire to believe in them so much so that they don't care and don't bother to check it out. They don't want to hear the rational side, like Dan Aykroyd video I recently posted.
Or very recently on Halloween there was a video trending on youtube by two guys talking called "Three Bizarre Cases Of Alien Abductions". One of which is Walton's case and at some point one guy mentions Carl Sagan while the other immediately shushes him with "Will you stop with the fucking Carl Sagan already."

Yep, or take as another example all the people taken in by Trump.

[Jehanne]

What the fuck are you talking about?  In book of Genesis stars during the making are only mentioned "he made the stars also." Then the next time stars are mentioned in book of Genesis is when god is saying to Abram "Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them" and Abram apparently counted them because the later verse goes "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."

 God told Abraham that his descendants would be as innumerable as the stars, the whole of the Israelites came from him and so did the Arab nations, way more than 6000.
Abraham trusted God and believed that there were more than the 6000 or so stars that could be seen with the naked eye. Abraham's righteousness as you have shown came from believing what God told him not what he could see.

GC

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I think that Jesus was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet who started life in northern Galilee, but after preaching the end of the world and the deliverance by god from the Romans by the "Son of Man" (likely, an angelic being), he was encouraged by his followers to take his message to Jerusalem.  Shortly after arriving, Jesus went to the Temple, and after hearing him, some Jews took offense; there was an altercation, and Jesus was promptly arrested by the Roman authorities.  They examined him, and likely found him to be a deranged individual; after consulting with the local Jewish authorities (Roman federalism), Jesus was deemed a threat to the public order.  Pilate signed the order (likely, without ever meeting Jesus personally), and a Roman guard administered his punishment.  Once dead Jesus' body was removed from the cross and deposed of in a common grave, likely, being mutilated by wild dogs.

The rest of Jesus' story is legend and embellishment.  i don't believe that he ever said anything close to what you are claiming.

 Where did you get your information, I know it wasn't from the Bible. Made up stories are an atheist specialty and you seem to excel at this. read the Bible it will tell you all you need to know about Jesus and His life.

GC

I do not believe that the Gospel of John contains a single saying of the historical Jesus. I think that the Gospel of Thomas does, however, contain some historical sayings of Jesus. Do you agree? If not, why not?

[downbeatplumb]

[quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1659213' dateline='1511044099']

I don't "reject" god so much as thinks its a silly idea.

Like arm fall off boy. A lesser known super hero. Can you guess his power?
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 You totally reject God according to Jesus, He said either you are with me or you are against me. With God there is no inbetween. rejection of God is far more serious than put an name to it like silly idea.

 You must not read much I've said over the years, I do not deal in silly notions like your above character.

The bold is why I am an atheist.
I really do find god to be ridiculous.

[Godscreated]

I don't "reject" god so much as thinks its a silly idea.

Like arm fall off boy. A lesser known super hero. Can you guess his power?
.

 You totally reject God according to Jesus, He said either you are with me or you are against me. With God there is no inbetween. rejection of God is far more serious than put an name to it like silly idea.

 You must not read much I've said over the years, I do not deal in silly notions like your above character.

The bold is why I am an atheist.
I really do find god to be ridiculous.

 That is your choice, just remember all choices have consequences.
GC

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 God told Abraham that his descendants would be as innumerable as the stars, the whole of the Israelites came from him and so did the Arab nations, way more than 6000.
Abraham trusted God and believed that there were more than the 6000 or so stars that could be seen with the naked eye. Abraham's righteousness as you have shown came from believing what God told him not what he could see.

GC

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 Where did you get your information, I know it wasn't from the Bible. Made up stories are an atheist specialty and you seem to excel at this. read the Bible it will tell you all you need to know about Jesus and His life.

GC

I do not believe that the Gospel of John contains a single saying of the historical Jesus.  I think that the Gospel of Thomas does, however, contain some historical sayings of Jesus.  Do you agree?  If not, why not?

 I believe the opposite of your belief because men far smarter and guided by God chose what gospels were to be placed in the NT.

GC

[Jehanne]

[downbeatplumb]

 That is your choice, just remember all choices have consequences.
GC

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The only consequence it has is that I don't believe silly things and have sunday free. Yay.

[Jehanne]

 That is your choice, just remember all choices have consequences.
GC

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The only consequence it has is that I don't believe silly things and have sunday free. Yay.

And, you're not throwing your hard-earned money away.