(December 17, 2017 at 7:18 am)bennyboy Wrote: We've had this discussion with regard to civil war greats like General Lee, and now with cinematic greats like Harvey Weinstein. I'm pretty sure if we knew more about Socrates or Sam Harris, about Ghandi or about Joe Rogan, we'd find quite the horror.
I've looked in my mirror more, and I have to say that I've seen the entire gamut of horrors and greatness in myself-- deep, deep depravity, inexplicable generosity, complete selfishness, and life-risking altruism.
Is it possible that Cosby, when he's in the public, actually IS a great guy? Or is it that he is always, 24/7, a monster, and he's hiding the truth? Am I a 24/7 monster too, someone who has imagined rape, murder, theft or violence in the past, but have had either the discipline (or the simple lack of opportunity) to keep my actions under control?
@OP Q
Why should we, and why would it be an item for consideration to begin with. It's not as if we can "un-achieve" something, stuffing the genie back in the bottle waiting for a do-over /w a better cast of characters. I don't even know what it's supposed to mean to discard achievements on account of the achiever. The first guy to come up with a serrated edge was probably an asshole, so..would it be like "man..fuck that asshole, but I sure do love this knife!". We do that all the time.
@The above
I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find something on the sliding scale of shame in every human being on earth. Yourself and myself included. Some of us, however....are over-achievers. Cosby's probably a better guy in public...and that would be expected on account of it being both a common human trait and a necessary career skill. On the sum of it, however, when you're both being great guys in public...you still aren't a cosby in private....so you tell me?
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