RE: Stephen Hawking has died at the age of 76.
April 24, 2018 at 11:46 am
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2018 at 12:05 pm by John V.)
(April 24, 2018 at 7:49 am)Hammy Wrote: See how confused you are? On the one hand you say God's unfalsifable,
OK.
Quote:outside of nature and there can be no evidence of him, you have to take him on faith... and on the other hand you say that nature is evidence of God, and you don't have to take him on faith. Total contradiction. Either there's evidence for God or not.
False dichotomy. That there is some amount of evidence for a proposition does not necessarily indicate that there is conclusive evidence for that proposition. In such cases belief in the proposition requires some amount of faith.
Quote:... the fact that he would be completely indistinguishable from a supremely powerful alien pretending to be God....
Assuming you mean by "alien" a product of this universe, then the alien wouldn't be supremely powerful.
Quote:Either he's unfalsifable or he isn't, either you have to take him on faith or you don't, either there can't be evidence of him or there can, make your mind up.
I've made my mind up - there can be evidence of God, but the evidence isn't necessarily conclusive. Are you having difficulty with this concept?
Quote:You're defining God as something unfalfifable that you have to take on faith and then claiming he's not unfalsifiable and not only can you have evidence of him but nature already is evidence of him.
You don't seem to understand falsifiability.
Quote:You're a confused mess, I'm just pointing it out. If God is outside the reach of science, he's outside the reach of science. If you have to take him on faith, you have to take him on faith. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I'm noting the simple fact that evidence in support of something isn't necessarily conclusive.
Quote:There's nothing arrogant or irrational about claiming that a being that is described in such a way that he is outside of the scope of empirical evidence is outside the scope of empirical evidence.
Here you're not actually reading what I said. To say that God is not confined to the earth doesn't imply that it's impossible for God to appear on the earth or otherwise affect the earth. P then Q doesn't imply Q then P.
(April 23, 2018 at 9:26 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Both Matthew and Peter were, of course, illiterate, as were the other disciples, as was Jesus.
Matthew - seriously? He was a publican for crying out loud.
Regarding Jesus:
Luke 4
16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.