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Jesus : The Early years
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
(March 21, 2018 at 8:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(March 21, 2018 at 7:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I think different bunches of people were asked about Jesus' early life, and then the authors concocted their respective nativity stories based on what they were told.

Asked by whom?

This is the problem with the Eusebian bullshit history of the church.  There is no indication that there was any regular contact between scattered groups who later came to be known as xtians.  There is no evidence that there was any overarching doctrine.  Instead we are asked to believe that all these "heresies" arose in the short period of time between the alleged crucifixion and 185 when Irenaeus wrote a book denouncing them.  Epiphanius refers to 80 such heresies.  I counted 25 in Book I ( of 5) in Irenaeus before I lost interest.

So, according to the "gospels" a bunch of the disciples went out into the world in the immediate aftermath of the alleged crucifixion to spread the word and they did such a shit job of it that a century later the entire message had fragmented?  What did the people they spoke to say to them?  "Fuck off?"

Far more likely that jesusism was just another mystery cult, isolated from other devotees, and spreading slowly throughout the Hellenistic East.  Later, when they attained the power to do so, the church mucky-mucks said " hey, you're a heretic and if you don't do what I say I'll have the emperor run you through. "

Far more reasonable.

It's a known thing with religions that a prophet gets no cred in his home town. There's a reason for that- the locals know he's crazy.
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Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 21, 2018 at 6:43 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 21, 2018 at 7:13 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2018 at 7:23 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 21, 2018 at 7:25 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 21, 2018 at 7:35 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 21, 2018 at 7:29 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by CapnAwesome - March 24, 2018 at 4:37 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 24, 2018 at 7:00 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by CapnAwesome - March 24, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 24, 2018 at 1:35 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2018 at 7:32 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 21, 2018 at 7:39 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by SaStrike - March 21, 2018 at 7:42 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 21, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 21, 2018 at 7:50 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 21, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 21, 2018 at 8:51 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Fake Messiah - March 21, 2018 at 9:06 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Fireball - March 21, 2018 at 9:36 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2018 at 8:05 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 21, 2018 at 8:23 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by GUBU - March 22, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Mr.Obvious - March 23, 2018 at 3:13 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 21, 2018 at 9:36 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Fake Messiah - March 22, 2018 at 3:48 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 21, 2018 at 9:41 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 21, 2018 at 10:29 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 21, 2018 at 10:40 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 21, 2018 at 10:45 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 22, 2018 at 1:05 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Valkyrie - March 22, 2018 at 1:34 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vulcanlogician - March 22, 2018 at 1:39 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Valkyrie - March 22, 2018 at 1:42 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 22, 2018 at 1:56 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Drich - March 22, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 22, 2018 at 7:42 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 23, 2018 at 2:01 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Valkyrie - March 23, 2018 at 3:36 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 23, 2018 at 5:47 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 24, 2018 at 12:41 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Angrboda - March 24, 2018 at 1:06 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 24, 2018 at 4:26 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 24, 2018 at 6:59 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Abaddon_ire - March 24, 2018 at 1:59 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Abaddon_ire - March 24, 2018 at 6:58 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 25, 2018 at 1:23 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Angrboda - March 25, 2018 at 2:10 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 25, 2018 at 2:23 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 25, 2018 at 2:33 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 25, 2018 at 8:54 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 25, 2018 at 8:57 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2018 at 9:17 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 30, 2018 at 1:29 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 30, 2018 at 1:49 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 30, 2018 at 1:56 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 30, 2018 at 2:38 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 30, 2018 at 3:01 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 30, 2018 at 11:35 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 31, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 31, 2018 at 1:34 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Grandizer - March 31, 2018 at 2:36 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - April 1, 2018 at 1:39 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 30, 2018 at 5:05 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 31, 2018 at 12:49 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 25, 2018 at 8:47 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 25, 2018 at 9:07 pm
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RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 25, 2018 at 9:23 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 25, 2018 at 10:24 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Abaddon_ire - March 26, 2018 at 10:36 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Godscreated - March 30, 2018 at 1:08 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 23, 2018 at 6:08 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Abaddon_ire - March 23, 2018 at 7:49 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 23, 2018 at 12:35 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Drich - March 23, 2018 at 2:18 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Brian37 - March 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Drich - March 26, 2018 at 10:10 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 26, 2018 at 7:05 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Anomalocaris - March 23, 2018 at 6:55 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 22, 2018 at 1:13 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Antares - March 22, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Brian37 - March 22, 2018 at 8:06 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 22, 2018 at 8:11 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Brian37 - March 22, 2018 at 8:28 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 22, 2018 at 8:35 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Brian37 - March 22, 2018 at 8:45 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 22, 2018 at 8:58 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Brian37 - March 22, 2018 at 9:18 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 22, 2018 at 9:25 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 22, 2018 at 10:34 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by chimp3 - March 22, 2018 at 10:38 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 23, 2018 at 8:28 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Fireball - March 23, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Anomalocaris - March 23, 2018 at 12:37 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 23, 2018 at 5:22 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Brian37 - March 23, 2018 at 6:57 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 23, 2018 at 6:13 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 23, 2018 at 7:14 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 23, 2018 at 7:39 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 24, 2018 at 1:25 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 24, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 24, 2018 at 4:41 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 24, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2018 at 2:35 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 24, 2018 at 3:06 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 24, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 24, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by brewer - March 24, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2018 at 8:53 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by brewer - March 24, 2018 at 9:43 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 24, 2018 at 10:01 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 25, 2018 at 2:05 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 25, 2018 at 12:23 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2018 at 8:56 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2018 at 8:58 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2018 at 9:19 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 26, 2018 at 2:17 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 26, 2018 at 2:29 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 30, 2018 at 1:25 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 30, 2018 at 1:34 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 30, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 30, 2018 at 11:42 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 12:53 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 1:36 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 31, 2018 at 6:40 am
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2018 at 1:21 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 31, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 3:53 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 31, 2018 at 4:36 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 5:26 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 31, 2018 at 5:32 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 31, 2018 at 5:48 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2018 at 6:03 pm
RE: Jesus : The Early years - by Minimalist - April 1, 2018 at 1:40 am

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