RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 7, 2018 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: August 7, 2018 at 2:34 pm by LadyForCamus.)
If god is the one judging and sentencing us, then Ofc it’s a test. Seems silly to try and argue otherwise.
Steve,
If god is so just and holy, why would he go through with an imperfect creation that is inherently sinful, and unholy? Why create us at all?
(August 6, 2018 at 4:55 pm)SteveII Wrote:(August 6, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Your mythology may not specifically state the the universe was created as a test, but there is no way around that is the end results.
We are put here with only 2 possible outcomes, according to Christian mythology: eternity in Heaven, or eternity in Hell (or eternal separation from Yahweh). And our choices will determine that outcome. And supposedly your god makes the decision on what our fate is by those decisions.
Sorry, but a test by any other name, is still a test.
No, sorry. Having different possible outcomes does not make something a 'test'. Otherwise nearly everything is a test and the word becomes meaningless. To support this silly premise, you need to show that there was no other purpose than a 'test'. Because there is clearly another purposes: to glorify God and enjoy him forever (Westminster Shorter Catechism). Need some Bible Reference? Check our Got Answers. The fact there are two possible outcomes at the end of a life is a consequence of the system--not created by God--but essential to God. Our sins need to be atoned for to satisfy his Justice/Holiness to be in his presence. Atoned-for/not-atoned-for are the two options. No 'tests'.
Quote:Again, if I am being judged by decisions I make, I am being tested. What else would you call it?
Judged by your decisions. Do you think when you appear in criminal court the judge declares "you failed your test!"
Quote:And by the way, why would this god create me, with a mind that would not be able to be convinced that he exists, with the evidence and arguments I am given to evaluate the proposition, knowing well in advance of these results, that I am will be condemned to hell?
Then it's his fault for his "divine hiddenness". How is it my fault for not being gullible enough to fall for fallacious arguments, lack of good evidence?
His knowledge of what you will freely choose does not transfer the burden. Perhaps the event that will lead you to believe has not happened yet. Unfortunately it may never happen. But creating the world and humans has a much higher net value than not.
Quote:The test may not be the only purpose, but it is an unavoidable part of the deal. My decisions in life, determine my afterlife. If not a test, what is it?
Let me add, one of Oxford's definitions of the word "test",
An event or situation that reveals the strength or quality of someone or something by putting them under strain.
The "event or situation" in this scenario is life on Earth, what is being revealed is whether I "atone for my sins, accept Jesus as my savior", and the evaluator is Yahweh.
Please explain how our life on earth does not fit this definition of "test"...
Because it is a secondary effect, not a primary purpose.
Steve,
If god is so just and holy, why would he go through with an imperfect creation that is inherently sinful, and unholy? Why create us at all?
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