(October 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 5:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Christian and Jewish texts involve explicit verses that say women are lesser than men, and give men superiority over women too.
But I can't say the same about the Quran. The sects of Islam that believe women are lesser, are the same sects that believe in Hadith books and sources other than the Quran.
Quote:2:228 Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Quote:2:282 And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women
Quote:4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females
Of course you are going to argue that this is ok, since it doesnt really discriminate, but only takes into account that women are "different" from men.
Quote:2:228 Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
The degree men have over women is in marriage -as the context of the verse suggests-; and we already know that this "degree" that men have over women in marriage is because they -the men- spend from their money & protect their wives.
So unlike what feminism suggests, men are not slaves to women and men deserve this degree. It's essential for the balance of the family. Please see the divorce rates in the non-Muslim western world where this verse is unknown.
Quote:2:282 And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women
Why don't you quote the whole verse?
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
Sahih International
https://quran.com/2/282?translations=
(282) O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah, his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah . And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.
So the verse is about "debts".
How many women in ancient Arabia used to know math or even memorize complex calculations and rights? I mean they didn't used to work on caravans like men.
So two women, with very limited knowledge is better than one.
Quote:4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females
Yes, because in most societies -even today- men are the ones responsible for feeding their family, so they deserve a little bit of extra cash to start with.
Remember that the real miracle is that women were a part of the heritage; that is so rare -or even non existent- in the ancient world.
