The hijab (etc) is immodest

[Leonardo17]

There are european/american women who wear the hijab by choice, too, you know. So try including this category in your next unproved claim.

It was said above that the hijab is a symbol of the oppression of women.  This doesn’t mean that all women who wear it are oppressed.

Boru

It still means that they themselves are oppressing themselves and their bodies:
 
As I said, I am from a culture in which  headscarf is all but uncommon. Yet you have to see a woman with a Burkini trying to enjoy a Mediterranean beach at 40 degree Celsius together with her husband with your own eyes to believe it.
 
Religiously or rationally speaking: It is possible for that women to decide to take a hike in the woods instead. Why is she even taking the risk of trying to swim like this in the sea? Why is she even torturing her body like this under the heat? She could stay in the hotel room since she is not even going to get a tan. So the problem is: Is it even possible for her (and her husband) to enjoy the beach like anyone else does?
 
And if not: Then I don’t believe that their interpretation of religion can be correct. Why would any God of any religion prohibit human beings from enjoying the sea and the beach?
 
+ Islam forbids all forms of self-mutilation / self-inflicted pain or torture. That’s the idea behind the prohibition of Alcohol for instance. One has a duty toward his / her body.
 
So all I am doing here is criticism.
 
So if someone is defending this or any other position. I suggest you should check to see to what degree they are open to debate and criticism.
 
Here (In my country) they made it a blasphemy, a sign of being openly fascist (I still don’t know if that means being a Urkanian / Vlodymyr Zelensky Style Nazi Fascist or a fascist in the real sense of the word but that’s the word they will use. Or they will call you an “Islamophobic” person if you are a foreigner).
 
So All I am doing here is to debate the issue. If it is a matter of freedom of religion, than that person will not get angry and will try to explain to you the reason of her behavior as much as she can. But one has to be careful with a man or woman who blindly defends some dogmatic interpretation of Islam and constantly blames other of being Islamophobic / fascist etc…  
 
Of course there are extremist people in Europe and in America too. I would never deny that. But I believe that the majority of the people living in those countries are very tolerant and accepting toward different cultures. And I believe that there are people with middle-eastern origins who will go to these countries but then refuse to make any effort to do some work on themselves and I think this is the very core of the problem.
 
The Industrial revolution happened in 1900. The end of Colonialism in the 60’s. The Feminist movement (mostly) in the 70’s. So it is normal that some people can be middle age-minded in many ways. And this is not a problem that concerns only Muslim women with a headscarf. There are many American Men who can be very middle-age minded too.
 
All I am promoting here is that these issues must be debated and that all parties involved must be open to a degree of criticism.
 
Also: All type of religious dogmatism / fanatism is dangerous and detrimental to humanity as a whole.
 
So if they say they are, say, “normal”, wouldn’lk in the park normally once, just to try it?
 
This is my viewpoint on the subject.