Nationalism and secularism

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Your superiority looks to be basking in handouts from our inferiority, atm. I don't have to troll you, you handle that all by your onesies.

The more and more I read your posts, I begin to notice similarities with your *kin* in my own country. And more and more, I know that my views are true.

"Your enemies" seem to have been mercilessly defeating you for a few hundred years. Ah well.

Oh really. They obviously were unsuccessful in defeating us, as we are still free. We die one, we come back a thousand. It takes the combined efforts of Europe, Russia and Persia to bring a single Turkish empire who stood for 600 years to it's knees, and we still have a country on the same spot that the great Sultan Alp Arslan Khan first set foot on a thousand years ago.
Where were you, the great white race of the west to support your brothers in their times of need? Organized a crusade, you did. Still did not help. Then another thousand years later, you sent your dogs upon us, and your president Woodrow Wilson sought to divide these lands, but still you failed somehow. As it's written on the Orkhun inscriptions:"Oh Turk, as long as the sky above does not fall, and the earth beneath does not crumble, who can break thy country and law?"

Ah well, happens to "the best" of us. It doesn't strike you as sad that you are so starved for pride in your "ethnic identity" and notions of ethnic superiority that you are forced to rely on the actions of those who have been dead for centuries (and even then, in nothing more than bloodshed)?

And you seem to think that I have no right to be proud of the archivements of the old? This really brings us to a dead spot. If I had really thought that I had no such right, I surely wouldn't bother with creating something that the future generations could look upon, and be proud, that they try to surpass me as the generations after them could look back in pride, and strive to match our greatness.
The lack of pride, and consciousness is what brings nations down on their knees. We have no lack of pride, nor do we feed or feast upon the archivements of other peoples.

Howsabout you get something done in the here and now? Maybe something that doesn't involve offing people you don't like, stealing lands from the inhabitants or oppressing minorities? Shameful, really.

Here, by here, where? Our mission is to bring about Turan. What greater concept and goal can I set before me? Whatever I do, I do for the advancement of this concept. Besides, we did not steal *any* lands from anyone. It is you, who have brought about a country via the repeated method of stealing lands, by driving out the inhabitants constantly to more barren places, and now, they live in reserves, I don't know the exact conditions they live in, so I won't make a comment on that one.

We on the other hand, have taken what is rightfully ours.
The treaty of Lausanne also recognizes our claims, our borders are crystal clear.
Oppressing minorities. Yeah, as though as minorities were ever barred from our universities, or forced face the discrimination that the blacks had to endure in the days of the apartheid.
You are woefully ignorant, friend. But it's not you who should be blamed for it.

These are my last words on the subject. If you have any other question, I'll be happy to answer.