(June 6, 2012 at 11:13 am)Tempus Wrote:(June 6, 2012 at 6:24 am)Brian37 Wrote: Look, if you read my post I admitted myself that I cant build a car but it doesn't take a car mechanic to drive one and know it is not run on pixy dust. You quoted her, all I was saying is that if you are going to quote her then I am just as qualified.
People's qualifications don't affect the validity of their points, on this we agree. Why even bring it up? Attempting to cut someone down by asserting they're not qualified, or that you're equally (or more) qualified than them doesn't bolster your argument.
(June 6, 2012 at 6:24 am)Brian37 Wrote: She had an idea, just like Marx had an idea. The mistake both of them made is that they both postulated a simple solution for a complex society and no society is as simple as one word or one label solutions. Not to mention conditions constantly change so what might work at a certain point may not be a good idea at another point. That was the other thing both of them missed.
Her simplistic idea of "selfishness" was utopian just like always sharing is utopian. People's motivations are a range, not an absolute.
As above: irrelevant. It seems you're presenting a form of ignoratio elenchi since this still isn't addressing the content of my initial quotation. You said we don't need philosophy. I responded - perhaps too obliquely - by countering that you do philosophy whether you realise it or not and that it is better you be cognisant of it rather than ignorant. Epistemology, logic, ethics, etc fall under philosophy. Would you say we don't need epistemology, logic, ethics?
ETA: Cthulhu paraphrased the quotation nicely also.
I hate the word "philosophy".
In evolutionary terms, what is really going on is that we seek patterns, "philosophy" is merely a place card word to say, "when we do this it seems to work so lets go with it".
The problem with the word is that it has the baggage of becoming sedentary and dogmatic.
A "philosophy" can be any claimed pattern a person thinks works. The problem is once they take on that "philosophy" they tend to project it on others.
We need to get rid of that word. It has too much baggage.
Brainstorming, having ideas, saying "this seems to work" are much better terms to work with because it is not attached to someone's personal idea of "this is the way things should go".
It frees us up to question and without question our species can get stuck in a rut, including a bad "philosophy".
