Theory number 3.

[Mystic]

I agree. I get the feeling that the only thing that justifies god's actions in the bible is because he says they are good, and he is so powerful no one dares to question him.

One argument I have for benevolent reasons of not sending Messengers/communicating to us, is that we would be dictated everything and wouldn't think for ourselves.

He could have given us stronger souls... If you don't believe in a soul, then you will see no need to strengthen it. If the initial conditions plausibly allow many people to have defective souls, then he did something wrong.

First we have to establish somethings. A lot of are defective in some ways, but how we embrace our faults with grace, is a strength itself. Also how we embrace people with faults is a strength.

It's true we could've been created with "powerful" souls that are incline to be good, to see God, and we could all been good at art, science, math... etc... and all super intelligent...all follow the truth...but is there seems to be possible wisdom in creating us with weaknesses that we have to overcome.

I say there is honour and beauty in the struggle. Personally, I suffer from a lot of the negative symptoms common of schizophrenics. It's easy for me to take no responsibility and attribute it to something I have no control over, but I refuse to do that.

Now I'm not doing perfectly well, but a lot better then before. It's also easy for me to say my "lack of insight" was totally the illness fault, but I believe I had partial control, and I was not ready to accept the truth, because it hit my pride. But I still could've, and it was not impossible.

Yes, a lot of my flaws, are influenced primarily through mental illness, but when I start overcoming lack of will, anti-socialness, etc, and medications make the negative symptoms worse in most cases, it has a "value" to it, the "struggle" has more value.

It's true most people are lucky they are without coming over such struggle, but they also miss out on the opportunity of the "struggle".

Also another thing to say, is that different human experiences, are although none perfect, are valuable enriching experiences regardless of the flaws in belief.

And animals too have their own experiences that are valuable as well. They all have value.

It's not necessarily that a person who knows God has a more enriching experience then who doesn't. The person who doesn't has to embrace life without such knowledge, and that has it's own honor and dignity.

But it is still more likely that it is not self-delusion and is actual experience, even though you cannot explain it and psychology has a scientifically valid answer?

Careful friend. Remember when design argument was inferred from biology. Took a while for evolution theory to come along and disprove that argument.

I'm bringing theories against arguments against Theism, like problem of evil or lack of knowledge of some humans from God...but these arguments are arguments from ignorance.

They are strong only in the same sense the design argument was strong, due to lack of explanation of evolution and other scientific theories.

Everyone 'believes' in morality who is not insane.

There are nihilist. Heck there is even people who don't believe in free-will, and without free-will, morality definitely is a delusion.

Yet, atheists such as Richard Dawkins are clearly intelligent, and yet they are alleged to be missing a self-evident truth. How can this be?

3 theories I don't know though. But I'm not think it's an issue of intelligence but rather spiritual power/strength in vision. If you are asking why scientist are more inclined to disbelieve, perhaps it's the case that people whom specialize in science love the field they specialize in and the type of reasoning they employ analytically, and that way of knowing, that they look down upon other forms/ways of knowledge?

Fair enough. And yes I was a little frusturated. I apologize if I appeared to be genuinely mad, or was rude. I had the idea that we were debating something of a slightly broader scope.

No problem. I don't think you were rude though.