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Theory number 3.
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RE: Theory number 3.
(October 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Is there a significant gap?

I think it's rational to incline to that idea.

Quote:Could, perhaps, a 'non-concious' entity evolve into an entity that is only vaguely aware of its surroundings?

By means of naturalism, it seems to be not the case, right now to me.

Quote:It all depends on what conscious is deemed to be; how well integrated must the senses of an organism be to call it conscious?

Whatever level of consciousness it has, there is a significant gap between non-consciousness.
Quote: It is difficult to draw a line between a human and an ape, but we know that humans are different from lower primates.

Yeah but in this case, there is can be perpetual change. There doesn't have to be a step between a human and a primate. There is gradual change and we can't even put a line. But the same is not true of consciousness and unconsciousness. Whatever level of consciousness exist as weak as it maybe, it's significantly different from non-conscious.


Quote: We also know that this transition occured solely becasue of evolution.

This is news to me. Evolution is a theory, not a certain knowledge.

Quote:We also know that the non-conscious entities evolved into conscious ones (unless you are a creationist).

I don't have to be a creationist. To be a creationist, it means I claim to believe evolution didn't happen. I don't have to be evolutionist, because it doesn't seem to be conclusive to me. I don't even have to believe evolution can possibly explain life, let alone, that it does, to not be a creationist.

And the truth right now, my agnosticism is a total state of confusion. I don't know that I don't know type confusion.

It's not the type that asserts I am unconvinced by evidence that there is no higher power neither is it the type that claims I cannot know or that I do not know deep inside.

I am "confused" .

Quote: So, what does this tell us, then? (not rhetorical)

We put faith in authorities too much Tongue I don't have to believe in evolution to justify my lack of belief in God or a Creator. I can be agnostic, and think there is strong arguments for a Creator, just that I don't feel confidence in arguments anymore.

I think the best word to describe by position is "confused".
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Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 3:28 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 25, 2012 at 3:38 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 25, 2012 at 3:50 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Annik - October 25, 2012 at 9:07 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 25, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 25, 2012 at 10:57 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 11:12 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 25, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 25, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 25, 2012 at 2:13 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 25, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Faith No More - October 25, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Faith No More - October 25, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by pocaracas - October 25, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 25, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Simon Moon - October 25, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Faith No More - October 25, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Minimalist - October 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 25, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 25, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 12:03 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 26, 2012 at 6:28 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 26, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 26, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 26, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2012 at 11:41 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 27, 2012 at 1:05 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 27, 2012 at 4:49 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2012 at 9:31 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 27, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 27, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 27, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 10:57 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 11:12 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by genkaus - October 29, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by pocaracas - October 28, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:19 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 29, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by genkaus - October 29, 2012 at 2:11 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 29, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by genkaus - October 29, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 29, 2012 at 9:40 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 9:43 am
RE: Theory number 3. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Theory number 3. - by Angrboda - October 29, 2012 at 3:42 pm

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