RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 18, 2017 at 5:36 pm
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2017 at 5:37 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 18, 2017 at 3:31 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(May 18, 2017 at 7:38 am)Ben Davis Wrote: Because it means God is not omniscient. Neo was claiming that omniscience means knowing stuff just after it's happened and that's an internally self-refuting definition.
Sti... Cyber's analogy was witty, funny, elegant, relatable and exposed a flaw that I don't think Neo (and certainly not you) realised was there.
Epic win!
Perhaps Neo can clarify, but I do t think that Neo holds anything against the orthodox and classic understanding of omniscience. What he was discussing was the how God can know the future, in which he was postulating a theory of time, where God is present and knows all points in time. That was my understanding anyway, so as per the norm, I believe the atheist victory dance is pre-mature.
Nope. Playing word games with Eternalism won't do Neo any good. Cyberman's analogy was spot on. Remember, Neo literally said the following:
(May 12, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: One possible way of looking at it is this. If all of time is fully present to God then God doesn't know now what you will do in the future because he already knows it then. That means he is only aware of the choice you make exactly at the time you make it. It's kind of a mind bender, I know but it has a certain sense about it.
My bold. But those are his own words. He literally said the part I bolded.
All of time being fully present is just the same thing as saying the present is all that exists... which means God can't predict a thing.