(April 8, 2013 at 1:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I see no argument from you. Just the empty and groundless accusations reapeated without support. I've discussed this many times with atheists over a few years now, and none come up with any rational objection.
God does not commit imperfect acts
God does not show imperfection
Oh, Frodo... I think you'd need to demonstrate your god to exist before you can claim he acts at all, let alone that he does so perfectly. Try doing that, I think you'll find it somewhat problematic.
But let's assume for the sake of argument that you will in future do so; your god is still very much imperfect. At the very least, he's kind of dumb, getting wrapped up in a scheme that he himself opted to impose on mankind; are you seriously telling me that sacrificing himself/his son to himself in order to purge sin- something he allowed to enter into his creation to begin with, even though it was against his will- was the optimal way to go about that business? Really?
Let's talk about imperfect acts. I consider genocide to be a very imperfect act: god has committed or ordered several, including one near omnicide, if you subscribe to the notion that life was crafted exclusively on earth.
I consider slavery an imperfect act. God's cool with it, so long as you're not doing so to his chosen people. And while we're on that subject, I consider racism to be an imperfect act, but god's got a chosen people, apparently.
I could go on, but I think you get my point. Now, I know you may be tempted to argue that my considerations mean very little to god, that it was still perfect because those things were a part of his plan. Unfortunately for you, that puts you in a difficult position; you only have a single moral compass, after all. So let me ask you: do you think those things I've listed are immoral, and hence imperfect? If you say yes, then you're clearly just a mindless sheep, immersed in the worst kind of divine command indoctrination, and since you're being irrational in your desperation to defend the indefensible, I can safely stop debating you. If you say no... well, then you're just immoral, and I'll want to stop debating you.
So, which is it?
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