RE: Science confirms the Bible?
June 12, 2013 at 1:32 pm
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 12, 2013 at 2:11 am)Ryantology Wrote: I wonder what it takes for a person to have such deep trust that what one's own mind produces is a literal connection to the creator of the universe and not any one of a hundred infinitely more plausible alternative explanations. I also wonder why making this connection is impossible without first being told that there is a creator to connect to.
1. I have to trust that what I understand from information presented is as correct as possible, yes. What do you do, lie to yourself?
2. There is no more plausible alternative. You seem to refuse to even begin to think about the subject. I don't wish to be deliberately ignorant.
3. Funnily enough the idea of the creator came last to me too. Why do you assume it had to come first?
(June 12, 2013 at 2:38 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Do you believe in evolution frodo?
Evolution isn't something anyone needs to believe in. I consider it to be fact.
@ThomM
You find no objections to the "points of logic: because there are NONE you ever post that can be objected to.
Like I said I post them all the time, and people agree with them.
If the evidence to support the belief is overwhelming - why is it that the overwhelming majority of people in the world do not believe?
Argumentum ad populum.
And if the evidence is so overwhelming - why is it YOU never post that evidence to begin with as well?
Let me say it again: I post it all of the time. So do others. I said that in my investigations, that were extremely thorough,I found the evidence overwhelming. Presented with the same information, you would too.
Sorry - but the evidence is overwhelmingly against that story being true -and every year - that becomes more and more obvious.
I see you positing no evidence on topic. ignorance of a subject does not stand as evidence against it.
(June 12, 2013 at 8:11 am)Maelstrom Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 2:06 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You get to a point where the evidence to support belief is overwhelming.
If that was true, everyone would believe without question. There is no proof. Faith is not proof, and faith is all any religious believer has. Faith, after all, is the veritable lack of evidence.
1. Does everyone have the exact same evidence that I do? Nein
2. There is proof. Just none you'd consider. There cannot be idependantly verifiable proof for the subject to remain coherent. So your challenge would have to break logic.
3. Christian faith is acting upon information that you trust to be true. I don't recognise your definition/you're not addressing Christianity with it.
(June 12, 2013 at 8:22 am)Faith No More Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 2:06 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It's very simple. You examine the information and test it's validity.
If it's so simple, how come so many people come to so many different conclusions? And why is it that you never actually specify the process behind testing its validity? You just say "test its validity," which I have done, and have come to a different conclusion than you.
The conclusions are all incredibly close. The starting point: human senses, are the same. What I see are varying degrees of perfection in the information considered and the conclusions reached.
I continually, it seems, spell out the process: Scrutinise the information as thoroughly as possible.
You will naturally have your own history of information, and you must follow that to draw honest conclusions, as we all must. Are your conclusions more valid than mine? if I claim a logical benefit to you over your current conclusion, or you me, how do we justify not embracing each others information?
≤ pause... back later >
