Why I Am Pro-Life

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Lets try and move on then pineapple. Man I thought we'd done that posts ago!

It's a unique human, it's blueprint sealed at conception. It is no different in it's life than any other human life... you and me. If it's ethically wrong to take post birth human life, what makes it ethically neutral pre birth?

the suffering.

What makes us value human life seems to be your question, which I think surpasses the scope of this discussion. That much we already accept. It might be egotistical. Biologically rooted as part of our special drive to procreate. Whatever the reason, humans concur that human life is important. We have laws to reflect that. Do you want to expand the discussion to include sentient humans? Why not? What are your reasons to suppose taking any human life isn't an ethical question?

Why do you keep bringing this back to murder? I did not carry on in my animal analogy that I started at the beginning of this thread, I'll do so now. I don't know how in touch you are with experimenting on animals, but here's how it works, we don't use higher mammals if we can use lower mammals. Even though using higher mammals will give us better results because they more closely resemble humans. No one cares when they slam a newspaper on a fly, but a lot of us here would be disgusted if someone killed a dog. We have different value judgements for different lifeforms, and the reason is because higher mammals suffer more, they have more emotions, and so we have more sympathy for them. That is what humans value, not because you call it life, not because you call it human, we value things that resemble ourselves, and we value things that benefit us.

Murder is wrong because it involves human suffering. Abortion does not involve human suffering. You can pretend like we treat all lives the same way, the thing is we do not.

You keep saying that a human life is special, but you might want to acknowledge that the law allows abortion, which you think is human life, and is not a point I think worth contesting. and so far the only way you've tried to demonstrate why it's special is to say that oh you wouldn't kill a full grown human being, that's the value I assign to a sentient being. If you really can assign value to an embryo, tell me what value to assign to it, besides it's potential, which I'm very aware of.

If potential is the only thing you are worried about, you have to go against contraceptions. if you think this sounds like a prochoice argument that is designed to make your position sound ridiculous, it really isn't. If you want to talk about potential, how far back are you willing to go?

Say stem cells. If a bunch of embryos can cure alzheimer's and give someone their life back, i wouldn't blink to say it's ok. Same thing for kidney diseases, heart diseases and so on. Do I care about human life? It depends on what you're comparing it to, to an animal, yes (i would save a dog over an embryo, don't get me wrong, an embryo really holds no value to me, here again, i'm talking about a human being capable of suffering). Now we're talking about a human life vs another human life. One that cannot feel, barely exists, whose death causes no pain, and another who feels just as much as you and i, and i'll value the mother over a bunch of cells. If abortion doesn't cause anyone suffering, but take away the mother's suffering, I don't see the ethical issue.

For the record, i don't think embryos dying is an ethical issue at all, and the IVF thing i brought up earlier. These embryos are just there, frozen, they do nothing. if they can bring a couple happiness by aiding in the process of IVF they did more good than just sitting in a fridge. and they don't even know it.