Pro-life atheists

[Avodaiah]

There must be such a thing. After all, you don't have to believe in a god to stick up for the rights of the unborn.
Thoughts?

[Elskidor]

I am Pro-Choice with restrictions on late term, unless there are other pressing concerns. I don't think the subject is 100% completely one way or another for most people, although I could be wrong.

[Foxaèr]

But aborted fetus makes great stew!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Atheism and abortion have nothing to do with one another. There are pro-life atheists and pro-choice theists.

Boru

addendum: So, no maths yet? Thought as much.

[Losty]

There must be such a thing. After all, you don't have to believe in a god to stick up for the rights of the unborn.
Thoughts?

Yes they exist. How can you ask for thoughts on a yes or no question?
My thoughts: you're bored and you find internet debates to be amusing.

[BlackSwordsman]

There must be such a thing. After all, you don't have to believe in a god to stick up for the rights of the unborn.
Thoughts?

I have always been pro-life. My understanding is that no matter what the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, bad or good, rape or not. That child that innocent baby had nothing to do with it. They are without blame, why place the blame of a rapist on a baby, wasn't that childs fault.

Why should it suffer?

There is always adoption. Don't want it, give it to someone who cannot have a child, who's spent a fortune on having kids without success.

As a Buddhist, (moderately monastic) the view is that life begins at conception and all life is valuable.

My dear kid brother, would not be here had his 12 year old mother aborted him. She had him, gave him up for adoption.

In doing so my mother and I have had the pleasure of having him in our lives (my adopted family could not have children)

[Chad32]

There must be such a thing. After all, you don't have to believe in a god to stick up for the rights of the unborn.
Thoughts?

I'd rather abortions didn't happen, unless the mother's life was in danger. Though I'd also like if our adoption and foster care agencies were better funded. It seems contradictory that republicans seem to care a lot about unborn children, but typically don't help single parent families or foster care agencies very much.

So yes, I'm an atheist who is pro life. I realize most abortions happen very early, and I can't argue very well against getting rid of something before the neo cortex has formed, but it would be ideal if they didn't happen unless there was a risk the mother would die, and we had well funded agencies to help children after they're born.

[Losty]

There must be such a thing. After all, you don't have to believe in a god to stick up for the rights of the unborn.
Thoughts?

I have always been pro-life. My understanding is that no matter what the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, bad or good, rape or not. That child that innocent baby had nothing to do with it. They are without blame, why place the blame of a rapist on a baby, wasn't that childs fault.

What baby?

Why should it suffer?

What suffering?

There is always adoption. Don't want it, give it to someone who cannot have a child, who's spent a fortune on having kids without success.

What if I don't want it hanging out inside my body, sucking up up all of my nutrients that I need to survive, causing weight gain and muscle displacement, and risking my life in labor and delivery?

As a Buddhist, (moderately monastic) the view is that life begins at conception and all life is valuable.

As the owner of my body, my view is that another beings right to live ends when it infringes on mine. What if a person was dying and the could survive by hooking up a mock umbilical cord to you and taking nutrients from your body? Should you be obligated to allow this because their life is as valuable as yours?
Also, being alive and being a baby is not the same thing.

My dear kid brother, would not be here had his 12 year old mother aborted him. She had him, gave him up for adoption.

How many children who have suffered unspeakable horrors and deaths at the hands of unloving parents could have been spared such pain and suffering if their mothers would have had abortions?

In doing so my mother and I have had the pleasure of having him in our lives (my adopted family could not have children)

A 12 year old enduring a pregnancy and labor is dangerous and could potentially be completely traumatizing. I know you love your brother but one case is not an argument. How young, do you think, is too young to be expected to carry to term and risk her life delivering a baby so your feelings won't get hurt? What if she's nine and suffering PTSD after being continually raped and abused by some family member. Should she be forced to carry a reminder around for 10 months risking her life, because you think her fetus' life is just as valuable as hers?

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More thoughts: I am also bored lol

[BlackSwordsman]

I have always been pro-life. My understanding is that no matter what the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, bad or good, rape or not. That child that innocent baby had nothing to do with it. They are without blame, why place the blame of a rapist on a baby, wasn't that childs fault.

What baby?

Why should it suffer?

What suffering?

There is always adoption. Don't want it, give it to someone who cannot have a child, who's spent a fortune on having kids without success.

What if I don't want it hanging out inside my body, sucking up up all of my nutrients that I need to survive, causing weight gain and muscle displacement, and risking my life in labor and delivery?

As a Buddhist, (moderately monastic) the view is that life begins at conception and all life is valuable.

As the owner of my body, my view is that another beings right to live ends when it infringes on mine. What if a person was dying and the could survive by hooking up a mock umbilical cord to you and taking nutrients from your body? Should you be obligated to allow this because their life is as valuable as yours?
Also, being alive and being a baby is not the same thing.

My dear kid brother, would not be here had his 12 year old mother aborted him. She had him, gave him up for adoption.

How many children who have suffered unspeakable horrors and deaths at the hands of unloving parents could have been spared such pain and suffering if their mothers would have had abortions?

In doing so my mother and I have had the pleasure of having him in our lives (my adopted family could not have children)

A 12 year old enduring a pregnancy and labor is dangerous and could potentially be completely traumatizing. I know you love your brother but one case is not an argument. How young, do you think, is too young to be expected to carry to term and risk her life delivering a baby so your feelings won't get hurt? What if she's nine and suffering PTSD after being continually raped and abused by some family member. Should she be forced to carry a reminder around for 10 months risking her life, because you think her fetus' life is just as valuable as hers?

PTSD is an extremely abused term, as a Service member diagnosed with it, I'd ask you to use it more wisely next time. I will take a 9 year old giving birth to watching brothers in arms being blown apart in front of you, watching your friend of many years dying before your eyes with limbs detached after being in an IED and coming home wondering why you made it out and he didn't, waking up screaming in the night, seeing the worst thing you can imagine reply in your mind over and over again, to the point where you try suicide.

I somehow for some reason don't buy into Civilian PTSD, Oh I was in a fender bender now I have PTSD or I gave birth an I have PTSD. I don't see them being in the same multiverse.

I'd say the rape would be more traumatic than the birth. Sorry if that offends you (Hope it doesn't infringe upon your life would not want to be killed off)

Anyway it throws you that you said what you said about your owning your body. What baby? funny? No baby, no need to kill anything. No need for an abortion then right?

But to say it deserves to end if it bothers you. That is a bit sad

Edit: as for the continual rape, remove them from the house, treat the trauma (obviously there will be some), but you are onto something, at that age I do believe it would be of danger to the child, so some things can be avoided so I will give you the abortion permit slip on that but doesn't correlate to my point.

[MindForgedManacle]

I have always been pro-life. My understanding is that no matter what the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, bad or good, rape or not. That child that innocent baby had nothing to do with it. They are without blame, why place the blame of a rapist on a baby, wasn't that childs fault.

Rather shocking belief, I say. What's actually happening in that case is that your placing the blame on the woman that was RAPED by forcing her to have a child she neither asked for and one which was conceived by being violated in one of the most horrendous acts humans can do to another, short of murder. And you implicitly assert that the rights of the unborn trump that of the mother, which I think is generally an untenable position.

Why should it suffer?

Well short of, say, 22-24 weeks, it CAN'T suffer, not having even developed a functioning nervous system or (I think) consciousness. But a more socially relevant question is: Why should the mother suffer? Pregnancy's no walk in the park, and labor extremely painful.

There is always adoption. Don't want it, give it to someone who cannot have a child, who's spent a fortune on having kids without success.

Oh joy, go through the process of being pregnant and having a kid just to give it up to someone else. That's just an unreasonable burden to expect of anyone.

As a Buddhist, (moderately monastic) the view is that life begins at conception and all life is valuable.

Well, life does NOT begin at conception, I'm sorry to inform you. A fertilized egg is just as alive as, say, a sperm or an egg, but I doubt you think we should have legal protection for those entities. Otherwise, menstruation and male masturbation would have to be considered murder for the former and, well, genocide for the latter (no more blowjobs, sad to say...)

My dear kid brother, would not be here had his 12 year old mother aborted him. She had him, gave him up for adoption.

In doing so my mother and I have had the pleasure of having him in our lives (my adopted family could not have children)

This is a non sequitur and is really easy to show to be bollocks.

My mom and dad had sex with each other a little over 21 and a half years ago. If they hadn't had sex that night (or my sperm self hadn't won), I wouldn't have been born. Does that mean that it therefore would've been morally abominable if they DIDN'T have sex that fateful night? If you were consistent, the answer would be "yes", but I doubt you'd agree to that.