Why I Am Pro-Life

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It's a sensitive issue for the mother, not for anyone else.

Well there's the father too. But hey.

Not as much as it is the mother's. Sure, he's involved.

You are telling me that it's justified at this point in time to bring life into this world to a mother who does not want it, or isn't prepared to take care of it. That this would be a good thing to do, and to do this is to be in touch with your humanity?

Where do you get this stuff?!

I don't know, where did you get this stuff?

I said that it's an ethical question. One which can't be avoided. You have to choose one way or another. That's your choice, not anyone elses if you're capable. Whatever you justify you have to live with. I don't envy anyone that descision. To me, the reality is that you are terminating a life. To you, it's not. Apparently.

Of course it's a choice that can't be avoided. I actually don't know what you stance is, I've explained mine, but you haven't explained yours. If you even have one. What I italicized it's the just restating the reality, it doesn't explain your position.

Yes, you are terminating a life. I've never denied that. Said this so many times now.

To sacrifice for something that doesn't even know what "want" means, let alone to want to be born. The only reason to justify this is to say that it's "meant to be" born. And that is not something I subscribe to.

If the baby is meant to be born, it will be. Your descision plays a part in that, if you make one. You're once more lumping me in with anti abortionists. Is there an invisible poster here??

What I bolded: Yea, i don't understand people who talk like that. Is there a timeline already fixed? What's to happen in the future will happen? What the hell do you mean when you say meant to be?

What I italicized: IF you make a choice? You said before it's unavoidable and I agreed. How do you avoid making this decision?

I don't know what your stance is about abortion, some are ok, some are not ok, I really don't even know. You said yourself some reasons are justified, but not all. But I'm just trying to understand your point of view here, because I don't really care about changing your mind if you're not gonna tell others what to do. My stance is all reasons are justified. So yea, I took a lot of shots in the dark, because you won't spell it out.

I'm not detached from my humanity enough to think that a mother who never prepared for this, should go through with this, spend the next 20 years....

....blah blah blah on your personal crusade against anti abortionists. Very nice. Now can you please address what I'm saying?

See above. You're saying ethical ethical ethical, not a word beyond that.

Potential doesn't triumph real, it doesn't triumph much if it requires so much sacrifice.

No one said that it did. {Potential} Life also doesn't deserve ignoring. To make a descision that you can live with, you need to address the problem squarely.

For some people. Like you perhaps, who do value this embryo/fetus/zygote, it would be hard to live with. If you mean to say that your stance is people should realize they may not be able to live with it, well, I think those people realize it when they're making their choices, no? It's part of life though, not like a rewind button. You either have the baby and live with it, or you don't have it and live with it. It's not going to be easy for a lot of people, but if your point is just to say that it isn't easy for a lot of people ... that's rather obvious?

And frozen embryos. What's the issue here, truly? These embryos can go through IVF to give a couple a baby. Or they can be used for stem cells research and save lives. How do I disregard people's happiness and wellbeing in favour of embryos? I don't understand, it's very clear cut what is more important.

I don't know. What is the issue here?

You said it was an ethical issue. Which could mean anything for you.

Why do I not value potential human lives? because they're potential. If the world population was dying out I'd value them very much. But we're talking about sacrificing ourselves for these potentials that will never be babies. Those frozen ones, they certainly will never all get to be a baby. Why are you so sure that they'd dislike that?

You seem to be claiming that although you accept this as human life, you can give it no importance because a. it isn't sentient, and now b. the world isn't short of humans.

You skipped over the part that people have to sacrifice for it.

I have never mentioned anyone -having- to sacrifice.

But people do. Are you saying a baby can survive on its own without help from others? Are you saying it's possible for a child to be born and if no one ever took the time out of their day to care for it it'd survive? Come on. And as far as pregnancy goes, it's a sacrifice, as I'm sure you know. There's a chance of death in every pregnancy, this chance is dramatically low in North America but it is not so in many parts of the world.

All I said was that this is an ethical choice: because this is a life. We can't ignore that fact. It's not like choosing between tea or coffee. There's something very important in the mix to us here: human life.

Yes that is really all you've said.

Women can know the choice they make and still have to make it. The choice is difficult -because- they realise what it is. Try telling a potential mother that a unique personality that she's started creating isn't important to her. That she should think of it as nothing more than any other unborn human.

I don't tell potential mothers anything. Why would I presume to tell someone what is or is not important to them? Why are you presuming what is or is not important to them?

And most of all, what have this got to do with what you or I feel about this subject?

Is this the point you're trying to make all along? That's it's not an easy choice? Because if so ... time wasted.