Brian37 Wrote:They should change it to "pro birth", because they sure as hell don't give one fuck about the baby or it's family after it is born.
Asinine comment. Why do you assume that all those who object to abortion from a logical standpoint don't care about what happens to the babies post birth? I care deeply about the lives of babies and children. I care that there are millions of homeless children in line for adoption because their parents either didn't care or were unfit to raise them in a loving home. I care about the welfare of those in need, and that includes people of all ages, from all walks of life. Regardless of what you might personally believe, it is possible to object to something like abortion, and be a humanist.
@Rahul: I can understand your point of view, and while I can sympathize with your sentiments regarding the issue, I can't have a debate/discussion where feelings and conjecture trump scientific rationale. Of course empathy and feeling are unequivocally important to have in these discussions and I am not saying otherwise. It's just that the only arguments I have seen against my position are a variation of "a fetus is not a person because no brain therefore abortion okay" and "it's a woman's right to choose", and neither of these stances are scientific. There's not much further we can go with this, if we are to argue outside of definitions. And technically speaking a zygote + (as fr0d0 uses) is a human being. Therefore I see this as a human rights issue and not an issue of when a fetus becomes a viable person (which is something I have already refuted anyway).