RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 27, 2013 at 8:46 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2013 at 8:47 am by Tonus.)
(September 27, 2013 at 4:48 am)Aractus Wrote: Paul is martyred in 64 or 67AD.From your link:
Quote:Neither the Bible nor other sources say how or when Paul died, but Ignatius, probably around 110, writes that Paul was martyred. Christian tradition holds that Paul was beheaded in Rome during the reign of Nero around the mid-60s...The name Ignatius links to an article stating that he...
Quote:...was among the Apostolic Fathers, was the third Bishop of Antioch, and was a student of John the Apostle.The article only gives a range for the years of his life and death, and like Paul his death as a martyr is "according to Christian tradition."
In other words, no proof, just statements from the people and the religion that rely on those statements to confirm their beliefs. For the Christian they are sufficient, for the non-Christian they are not.
Aractus Wrote:Now you will tell me the same thing that every atheist says to this evidence - that the prophecy was inserted AFTER AD 70 into a copy of each of the Gospels.Or that none of the gospels were written before 70AD. None of the original manuscripts survives, and the estimates of when they were written depend, not surprisingly, on whether or not you need for the dates to conform to pre/post-destruction of Jerusalem. The Christian must presume that they were written before, else they won't seem genuine. The non-Christian can approach the writings as they would any other ancient text purporting to describe specific future events in enough detail to make them clear.
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