(September 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 16, 2013 at 10:37 am)max-greece Wrote: " what is your 'morality' based on if not God?"
Seriously?
Gee - I don't know - what were Aesop's Fables based on? You think they were new then? What did the Egyptians do for morality? How about India or China? Hinduism or Buddhism?
So many different moralities.....its almost as if we could write a moral history of the world with Jesus somewhere in the middle historically.
Today our morality is a product of our history - just as it has been for every generation since time began for us.
So your morality is based on pop culture? What society tells you is right, and what society tells you in wrong? And if society goes off the deep end, are their any checks and balances in place to correct or preserve 'morality' as you understand it?
Before you answer, consider the pop morality you currently enjoy is way different than how it was just 20 years ago. Look at issues like smoking, how society treats gay people, how we discipline our children, How whites treat minorities.. What once was almost a soceitial mandate has now become a high crime.
If there are indeed checks and balances why the change?
I'm not asking you to try and determine whether a change is good or bad, just the fact that change happened. And then ask why did it happen? what was the catalyst? what fueled change? Now ask yourself how does this catalyst 'fuel change' and not go too far and burn through all boundries good or bad?
Remember those who do not know History are doomed to repeat it.
What seperates you and this society from others who base their morality on pop culture, that went over the edge?
(September 16, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Well a quick example of a few things that count as evidence.
A voice in the sky (in a veritable incident)
A rock that tells you the will of god
A preaching squirrel
A large craving in the moon saying "hi this is god"
And of course if caprica six offered to have my children.
Of course you still have to apply scientific inquiry vigorously.
ah, So you are looking for God to communicate to you directly. God tells us in Luke 11 that if we want direct communication with God then you must A/S/K for the Holy Spirit.
Not to say all of these thing will happen, but I also say these things wont happen either. What is promised is a measure of the Holy Spirit. If you are faithful to what you have been given more/a larger measure will be given to you. Meaning more direct and ground shaking contact will be established.
That said know that even if all of those things (Including 6's proposal to you) can and will be explained away by your doubting brothers. even though these things would convince you personally. That is the nature of God's proof. It is personal. It gives you what you need, while allowing those who do not want to be with God the opportunity to dismiss what they do not want to see or hear.
If you go to God with an open mind you will get the EXACT proof you need to not only Establish a relationship with Him, but He will provide you the on going 'proof' you need to maintain said relationship if you are indeed faithful to what you have been given
First off that is circular logic. Second of all when I was a Christian that is exactly what I did. I prayed for proof, to make me a better Christian and to strengthen my faith for months on end. You can guess at the results. Nothing, nottah, zippo
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.