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Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
(October 18, 2013 at 11:55 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 11:45 am)DLJ Wrote: Quite right.

The opposition to religion being... not a religion.

Well it's not an organised religion certainly but it depends how you want to define a religion. Not all religions are based around God you know. Does this seem like a religious text to you?

http://classics.mit.edu/Carus/nature_things.1.i.html

The guy who wrote that would be defined as an atheist by today's standards but he saw it as a religion.


Quote:I think you guys can only see the opposition to religion as ... another religion.
If you want to oppose something don't you need something of your own to oppose it with in the first place? For example to oppose Communism you must have a political belief that is not Communism.

No!

Disagreeing with a position does not mean one has to hold the antithesis to the proposition.

To borrow an analogy from quailasoup (on an iPhone so can't post YouTube videos easily):

A court of law sees a jury deciding on the guilt of a defendant. Some people decide she is guilty, whilst others decide she is not guilty. In addition there will be some jurors that have not decided and are unable to form a conclusion based on the guilt of the defendant. They do not agree she is guilty so do not judge her as such.

The assumption that if one disagrees with x you must be y must be challenged.

Note: the above position applied to all gods would show someone to be an agnostic atheist. They lack a belief in the proposition (in this case, god x or that defendant is guilty), but do not rule out the possibility. They simply are unable to form a conclusion at this moment in time.

This perspective changes depending on the proposition. The biblical god for example, or
Most people's interpretation of it, I reject outright owing to its self-refuting nature. For all gods, I cannot say until it is proposed and the available evidence evaluated.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer. - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 18, 2013 at 12:18 pm

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