RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 13, 2014 at 5:52 am
(April 13, 2014 at 12:02 am)snowtracks Wrote: 'infinite regression' is what you want to hold onto. general relativity describes (there have been 11 independent scientific observations) the movements of bodies in the universe and when this movement is traced on a timeline, it goes to a mathematical zero point: that is; space, time, energy, mass all register zero. so i'm not trying to avoid it, it's dead-on- arrival.You are trying to avoid it by pretending that god is the starting point, even though he would be far more complex than the universe you claim he created, and even though there is no evidence that he even exists, much less that he created the universe.
Quote:"Because otherwise we ask what created god and the whole argument falls apart". people that understand that God isn't confined to this cosmic timeline don't ask that question because an entity not constrained by time need not have been created. the physical laws only apply to this universe.Curious, though, that no one "understood" that god existed outside of space and time until that "understanding" was required to explain why he could not be accounted for in the physical universe. People that "understand" that god exists outside of space and time have dealt with the question of infinite regress by slathering their god in magic until they feel the question no longer applies.
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