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Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
(October 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Okay, if we're going to do Carl Sagan quotes regarding God, here's a few more to consider:

-'Many statements about God are confidently made by theologians on grounds that today at least sound specious. Thomas Aquinas claimed to prove that God cannot make another God, or commit suicide, or make a man without a soul, or even make a triangle whose interior angles do not equal 180 degrees. But Bolyai and Lobachevsky were able to accomplish this last feat (on a curved surface) in the nineteenth century, and they were not even approximately gods.'

-'If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?....For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.'

-'Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science?'

-'The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard, who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by "God," one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.'

-'Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind and accepts whatever it has to teach us, or somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?'

-'Anything you don't understand, Mr. Rankin, you attribute to God. God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it.'

-'Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature.'

If Sagan wasn't an atheist, he was near enough as makes no odds.

Boru

Vinny G. wasn't trying to be honest and correctly characterize Carl Sagans opinion. No, he was intentionally being dishonest to score what is in his mind a quick "forum point."

In addition, Carl Sagan was a busy scientist who did not enter into the large atheistic debate community where he would have been more exposed to theistic slander, otherwise he would probably have chosen other words.
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Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 13, 2013 at 3:03 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 13, 2013 at 5:32 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Brian37 - October 18, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Captain Colostomy - October 13, 2013 at 5:17 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by max-greece - October 13, 2013 at 6:27 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Tonus - October 13, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by pocaracas - October 13, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Brakeman - October 16, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Esquilax - October 16, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 16, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 17, 2013 at 12:02 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Simon Moon - October 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by CleanShavenJesus - October 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by CleanShavenJesus - October 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Esquilax - October 17, 2013 at 2:14 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Gilgamesh - October 13, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by DeistPaladin - October 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 13, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by DeistPaladin - October 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Gilgamesh - October 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 13, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by DeistPaladin - October 13, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by DeistPaladin - October 15, 2013 at 8:38 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by DeistPaladin - October 15, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Esquilax - October 14, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Brian37 - October 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by *Deidre* - October 13, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 15, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Mothonis - October 16, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 16, 2013 at 2:40 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 16, 2013 at 5:40 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Mothonis - October 16, 2013 at 5:52 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Esquilax - October 16, 2013 at 7:20 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Zazzy - October 16, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by pocaracas - October 16, 2013 at 6:07 pm
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by downbeatplumb - October 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Simon Moon - October 16, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Bob Kelso - October 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Angrboda - October 16, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by pocaracas - October 17, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Esquilax - October 17, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by pocaracas - October 17, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Jackalope - October 19, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Brakeman - October 17, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 17, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 18, 2013 at 2:46 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by ManMachine - October 19, 2013 at 8:40 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Chas - October 19, 2013 at 11:43 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Simon Moon - October 20, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 27, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 27, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 29, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Mothonis - October 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Brakeman - October 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Brakeman - October 29, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by ManMachine - October 29, 2013 at 8:05 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Ben Davis - October 29, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by ManMachine - October 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Ben Davis - October 30, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Walking Void - October 30, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Ben Davis - October 30, 2013 at 10:29 am
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - November 4, 2013 at 2:55 am
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 5, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism - by Angrboda - November 6, 2013 at 2:17 am

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