From atheism to Christianity? How so?

[RDK]

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Are ideas valuable?

No, not always.

Thay have no more tangibility than the electrons swirling about in my head.

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Aside from the fact that, you know, electrons are tangible (or at least have direct tangible effects on the world we inhabit):| You need to re-think this point because it's silly.

What If my idea could result in a new invention? Would you like it then? Since my ideas in somthing you can't immediately touch or experience you are trying to invalidate them.

What idea? you haven't forwarded anything except unsubstantiated claims that are neither unique nor interesting. We've heard all of it before, and it's been debunked countless times before.

We are dealing in useful concrete ideas with positive results in case you wish to implement them. Think outside the box. Because you have not seen it , it is not true?

Gobbeldygook.

I don't believe you because you make up stuff as you go along. Or, rather, that's how everyone with the ability to utilise critical thought will see it because it's all just one large unsubstantiated claim.

sorry, if you want' to convince us that what you say is true, you need to adhere to our standards of evidence, which is to say, you need to present something more than an 'idea' (??), like something we can analyse and test.

And no, your statement "Because you have not seen it, it is not true" is a red herring and a purposeful attempt to sleight of hand me. I've never 'seen' a black hole, but I know they exist, because the data proves they do.

Praying to a non-descript, non-existent entity ain't nothing like no black hole.

EDIT: And actually, I'm pretty pissed with you for telling me to 'think outside the box'. What? You think that's what you're doing? Well shit, if making crap up is all it takes to make one think that's 'thinking outside the box', then I can go toe to toe with the best of them. I'm writing on an invisible gold laptop in my starship orbiting Rigel V. Lasers set to fun. I can go all day if you can.
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RDK- It is hard for me understand what values you have. What do you think is important? I am offering you a way to connect to a wonderful source of knowledge that you don't believe even exist. I am sorry for your shortsightedness. I already know that science can define a lot of things. But it lacks the ability to give you the courage to step into the unknown. Reality has no limits!

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Here are some things that people do that are concepts of the heart that can't be analyzed as easily as a lab rat. Try friendship,courage,love,anger, hate. Are these ideas too abstract to believe so they should not be true. Every one of you have involved yourselves with these things. The difficulty comes when its time for you analyze your own. Concepts of the mind are not provable in a tangible way. They have to fit togeather in a logical way which brings you some useful conclusion. Don't dismiss all of this just because you do not understand what it all means. Ponder on some options and you will be surprised with what you find.