Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents

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mehmet, normal, nowadays isn't that.
Normal is a loving family.

You don't define normal via emotions.
You define it via reality and facts.

Sure, and facts state that normal families are loving ones.

Is an abusive family a normal thing?
Would you prefer a child to be raised by someone who constantly beats it, or someone who loves it?

The fact is, the norm of the familial institution and parenting were long defined on the basis of human biology. All children are born from women. It is only logical that they are raised by women. The duty of a man used to be to provide for both the woman and the child. Nowadays, though, the norm shifted towards both parents working, mainly due to the changes in economy, one parent is usually not enough to support the family, while providing their children with a future.

Yes, I agree.... but we are dealing with adoptions. Not with standard biological parents... it is possible that homosexual people become parents, and it has indeed happened, but it's not "natural" for a homosexual couple to become pregnant and give birth to a child.

Concerning adoptions, however, I see no problem in leaping over that detail, if we can provide a loving family for a child instead of an abusive one, or an overcrouded one which are the typical foster homes... then why not?

But the norms regarding parentage have not changed, nor will they ever change.
A child needs a man and a woman to be conceived, and a child needs both a father and a mother to be raised as a well-adjusted member of society.

That is the optimum, I agree.
However, a child in need of adoptive parents is not exactly near that optimum. Isn't it better to give them a loving family, instead of none?

Abnormal is what those kids had: a brutal family and little prospects of them becoming anything more than delinquents.

One wrong does not justify another.

The other is far from wrong.

Many kids, nowadays, are raised by single parents, and yet.... I see no one claiming that's wrong or abnormal....

I am. Its not only abnormal, its not in the best interests of neither the children, nor the parents. Single parents often have difficulties handling the children, all the while working to support them.

Yes they do have difficulties.... I am such a child of a single parent... I should know, huh?
Still, it seems it was better for me to be the child of a single parent than to have been the cause for their continued co-living, as they would have just been at each other's throats all the time.
I shudder to think of what I would have become, if I had remained in such a hateful environment.

I see no one forcing people to stay together, so they raise the kids properly....

Actually children are one of the reasons why some marriages keep on going. People actually realize that their kids are more important than whatever trivial problems they have with another, so they try to work it out, for the sake of the children. And I'd say that no child of divorce is happy to see their parents split up. No one is happy to see their father bring in a "new mom" into the house or otherwise...
Most of the time, when a marriage is not hampered by actions of a spouse that actually violate the marital contract, such as unfaithfulness or domestic abuse, people with children should display selflessness and try to work their problems out, if not for their own sakes, but for the sake of their children.

What about those cases you mentioned? Those cases where the there is no possible reconciliation?

Does it work with single parents? more or less....

No, it works less. It is inefficient.

It worked for me... it works for a lot of people... more or less.
I suppose I'd have become an even better person if I had been a part of a full loving caring family, but I wasn't... and many out there aren't. That's reality. It should be avoided, yes, but sometimes it just can't be.

Why would it work any less if there are two parents of the same gender?

There are too many reasons to count. The first is, the children are raised in an environment that they should not be raised in. In a hypothetical world, where there are no kids open for adoption, the idea of gays being parents would be even more absurd than it already is. Its as though as to raise a tiger in an apartment.

But we live in a world where there are kids in orphanages, and these are open to adoption by people who would like to look after them.
Given this, the kids will very soon realize that there is something wrong with this, and they will become confused. The confusion will eventually lead to further things. Not to mention the stigma that a child will most certainly face from other members of society.
By actually advocating this, you're sacrificing these children so that gays can feel better about themselves.

That stigma is brought upon by people like you. It exists because gay adoptive parents is a rare event. We are just beginning this process.
A few years ago, the same could be said of mixed race marriage.... Today, however, that stigma has subsided. The one we're addressing can subside too, if society is willing.
And I see a lot of people willing to move society to that level... I also see some who think like you do... let's try to move past preconceptions, shall we? Let's give it a try and see the outcome... in my previous post, I said there are no scientific studies as to the outcome, but there are some cases which can be analyzed...

As far as I see it, the only "problem" the kid will have is that it will grow up to be fully tolerant of gay people.

From the way I see it, I'm sure the kid may very well grow up to hate gays.

The door swings both ways...
Humanity is complex, yes that can happen, but would it be the norm?

Some may claim there's an increased chance that the kid will become gay itself... I haven't seen any studies hinting in that direction (nor any other direction), but a person's sexuality doesn't seem to hinge on social pressures....

Well, that is not my point, though I'm sure that the gays will try to raise the child as their "own" in very much the same way normal people do.
Normal people instinctively want their children to be like them.
And so do gays, I presume. Its really nothing more than wishful thinking to assume that gays will allow their child to freely pick their sexual orientation.
Not that it will, as you said, make the child gay, but it will probably make the child hate his/her parents even more later on.

Like I said earlier, nowadays, gays still strive to become accepted. They strive for their sexual orientation to be acknowledged as something natural over which they have no conscious control.
Given this awareness, would it make sense for them to lead a child to become gay against the child's natural orientation?
Once more, sure it can happen, so it will most certainly happen... but will it be the norm?

The gay couple, at least for now, may tend to encourage the kid (when the time comes) to explore his/her sexuality to the fullest, in order to find the best partner possible... but that doesn't mean that the kid will become gay.

Well, that's another thing. This whole wishful thinking is just hurting to the bone.
The appointed time, as you have said, will probably come earlier than with other kids, as I'm sure that gay parents will have a lot of difficulties explaining their "children" how babies are made.

Like standard parents don't?...
It's because of gays that the stork myth was invented, huh?

And how they were forced to adopt him/her because they couldn't make their own.

"forced"? Don't you think you're trying to hard to make a negative case?
Take a step back, deep breath... and think.

The children will probably figure the rest out by themselves.
Its really not a good place for a kid to grow up. I'd say they're better off in an orphanage.

Well, then, you're wrong.
As far as I'm aware, orphanages have been extinguished, replaced by foster homes, where one family takes in a few kids so they live until "the system" finds an adoptive family for them. It's a place where kids come and go, based on the willingness of a few families to take care of those kids.
It's not a caring loving dedicated family, but it's better than the classical orphanages...

These people tend to be the most respectful of others' sexualities, so I foresee little to no trouble in the kids future, on that subject.

Again, a lot of wishful thinking. However, that's not even my point. I'm not concerned whether they will force the child to be gay like themselves or not.
The children will probably emulate what they see from their parents early on. Like, a boy having a crush on boys in elementary school.
Yeah, the epitome of tolerance and progress.

Yeah... like that happens... -.-'

On every other subject, two parents are always better than one.

They have to be parents first. Gay people do not qualify.

Adoptive parents, mehmet.

BTW, I hinted at some cases where kids have been raised by a homosexual couple. Here, educate yourself:




Oh, look... he says there are studies... look them up, you should hmmm? [/yoda]