(November 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Chad32 Wrote:Godschild Wrote:
The way of god doesn't SEEM wrong to us. It's empirically proven wrong. Slavery is wrong. Genocide is wrong. Blind, unquestioning obedience to authority is wrong.
You're trying to bring God down to our fallible level, God as creator necessarily has rights we do not. God doesn't ask us to blindly follow Him, unlike the scientist you put your belief in, why do you think He gave us his word. He does expect us to follow Him without questioning some things because we are to and should trust an omniscient being. Man made slavery and it was those idol worshipers that turned from God who did. As the creator of all life God has the right to take it back when He determines it's necessary. You have no empirical proof of anything about God, because you can't bring proof against something you believe doesn't exist.
Quote:The "terrible sin" you're talking about was us using free will. the whole point of freedom is the ability to do things other people don't like.
No, your wrong. The "terrible sin" was using free will to disobey God.
No, the point of freedom is to treat others with love and kindness, just as we want to be treated. I feel fairly certain that most of the men and women who have given their lives for this country would have to defend your definition of freedom, because that is exactly what they were fighting against.
Quote:Doing it without consequence, as long as they aren't hurting other people, is the definition of freedom. Freedom of speech is my freedom to say thing you don't like, meaning you don't get to kill me for heresy just because I don't buy into your beliefs.
Why would you believe I would want to kill you, I believe in "turn the other cheek" when it comes to my Christian beliefs. There are consequences for ever wrong action no matter how free you feel you are entitled. You slander someone and see how free you are, they may own all you have.
Quote:Obviously your god never wanted us to disobey him.
There's nothing obvious to that statement, what is obvious is you're desperate for things to say in this argument, so you just make things up. You should read and study the Bible before trying to argue with those who use it for their daily lives, it's important to us to have it right as we possibly can.
Quote:If so, he should have made us robots. Then we wouldn't have "sinned".
If He made us robots then where is the love in a relationship, neither one would exist if we were robots. If you were a robot you would find a way to complain about that too. Happiness and love with God is the reason for our free will, you haven't exercised that option, it's why you have no understanding.
Quote:If he wanted us to have free will, he should allow us to use it. If he thinks socity is going downhill because of it, the right thing to do is work out the problems to make society better. Not start killing people en masse.
Contradicting yourself in this one, you want Him to make things better and still give us free will to make mistakes. Trying to have your cake and eat it on this one, shame on you.
God did allow the use of man's free will and still does, that's why we are in the mess we are. God cleansed the earth of total corruption with the flood so future generations could come to know Him and the wonderful life He has for us.
Quote:Man has a fallible mind. We have no reason to believe that Yahweh's mind is infallible.
That's why our minds are fallible, we do not trust in what God wants for our lives.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
