RE: Critique Time!
December 6, 2014 at 1:14 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2014 at 1:33 pm by robvalue.)
No, we don't accept what you say because it has no evidence for it whatsoever. Science on the other hand has so much evidence anyone would struggle to even read all of it. It's entirely, completely different.
No, we won't accept stuff straight out of the bible as truth, because it's a story book with no other decent corroborating evidence. Especially for the supernatural claims, which are all but impossible to verify even if we had other sources.
Do you accept the kuran as truth? Believe every word of it? What about all the other holy books? Zeus? Thor? Flying Spaghetti Monster? Illusionary pink unicorn? Would you believe anything I said about them if I had nothng to back it up?
If you think science has nothing to back it up, all that means is you can't be bothered to research it, end of story. Science is only competing with religion in as much as science shows us all the glaring errors in a supposedly infallible book.
I could quiz you on the bible all day and show you how you don't follow it, but you'd just tap dance like every apologist and make excuses. If that's not the case, tell me whether slavery would be fine today or not. Or stoning someone to death for picking up sticks on a Sunday. Would you stone me to death for picking up sticks on a Sunday?
What you need to try and get your head around is that the bible (which just happens to be the religion you were indoctrinated in, you'd be a Muslim if born somewhere else) is a book of claims. Someone is saying stuff happened. That does not mean it happened. The book is not magic, it is just a book. Anyone can write anything down they like. Why is the bible special, in that it is magically true? Because it's the word of God, so it's true so it's the bible so... Circular logic. You cannot prove something is true by appealing to itself. If I say I do not lie, can that be taken as evidence that I do not lie? Because I said I do not lie? No.
I could go on all day but... I know you'll never change your mind. But God does say he wants you to think about it more, as he thinks you are misreading some signals. He hasn't communicated with anyone today, we've been quite busy. Jesus has gone home now, I caught him on the furniture again. He knows the rules!
Anyhow, thanks for chatting. I know you did read what I said and tried to take it to heart but I fear we will never be able to see eye to eye. So, thanks for making the effort to meet me half way. It's much more than most so.
No, we won't accept stuff straight out of the bible as truth, because it's a story book with no other decent corroborating evidence. Especially for the supernatural claims, which are all but impossible to verify even if we had other sources.
Do you accept the kuran as truth? Believe every word of it? What about all the other holy books? Zeus? Thor? Flying Spaghetti Monster? Illusionary pink unicorn? Would you believe anything I said about them if I had nothng to back it up?
If you think science has nothing to back it up, all that means is you can't be bothered to research it, end of story. Science is only competing with religion in as much as science shows us all the glaring errors in a supposedly infallible book.
I could quiz you on the bible all day and show you how you don't follow it, but you'd just tap dance like every apologist and make excuses. If that's not the case, tell me whether slavery would be fine today or not. Or stoning someone to death for picking up sticks on a Sunday. Would you stone me to death for picking up sticks on a Sunday?
What you need to try and get your head around is that the bible (which just happens to be the religion you were indoctrinated in, you'd be a Muslim if born somewhere else) is a book of claims. Someone is saying stuff happened. That does not mean it happened. The book is not magic, it is just a book. Anyone can write anything down they like. Why is the bible special, in that it is magically true? Because it's the word of God, so it's true so it's the bible so... Circular logic. You cannot prove something is true by appealing to itself. If I say I do not lie, can that be taken as evidence that I do not lie? Because I said I do not lie? No.
I could go on all day but... I know you'll never change your mind. But God does say he wants you to think about it more, as he thinks you are misreading some signals. He hasn't communicated with anyone today, we've been quite busy. Jesus has gone home now, I caught him on the furniture again. He knows the rules!
Anyhow, thanks for chatting. I know you did read what I said and tried to take it to heart but I fear we will never be able to see eye to eye. So, thanks for making the effort to meet me half way. It's much more than most so.
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