[split] Hello everyone

[pocaracas]

Where in Europe are you from?


errr... wrong!
Take orthodox christians as an example of pre-protestant christians.
Also, catholics ARE christians.

Sorry Orthodox Christians? Pre-protestant Christians?

Orthodoxy is without paradox as that is what orthodox means . . . to say that they are not saved-sinner for sure.

Christian is without paradox as that is what Christian means = freedom from the law of slavery to sin.

That must have been a protestant Wiki, you think?

Are you for real?

See that thing on the top of the staff?


I hear that's Jesus Christ.
Followers are called christians.
Catholics are followers of Christ, hence are christians. That's it.
Why are you trying to change that extremely simple definition?

Extra points, since you seem to think I use a protestant source:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religioni_in_Italia (oh, maybe it was the protestants from the US or UK or Germany that wrote this in italian....)

La religione più diffusa in Italia è il cristianesimo, presente fin dai tempi apostolici. La confessione cristiana maggioritaria è il cattolicesimo.

I'm guessing that, if anyone would know if catholics are christians... the italians would be right there on top!

For what it is worth, the error in your Wiki thing here is that there is a difference between Jesus of Nazareth and "Jesus out of Egypt called" who made a pit-stop in Nazareth so he can be called a Nazorean, but actually was not. This here is where Orthodoxy must do it's thing on its own in the believer, and that very well means no evangelist yanking away.

And do you see the difference here? If you do not see this let me add that John had a camelhair coat as not a true Nazarite in Matthew and Mark but not in Luke and in John. You can so call this John a 'one night stand' evangelist (so you can relate to him), that we would call a protestant today simply because orthodoxy is not what called him to be.

So now 'who is who' here and who is Wiki talking about because the Jesus of Matthew and Mark was forsaken on the cross and goes back to Galilee again in the end, and that translates into hell on earth as opposite to Luke and John where he does go to heaven instead.

Not that it matters to me, but it is a good idea to never put your Sunday suit on when reading the bible so that critical thinking can be part of it when you do. This in turn is where and why PhD's are the most handicapped of them all . . . and that in turn is why the saints in heaven are entertained by the folly of Christians below, so they claim.

So do you ever see prots proclaiming that Matthew and Mark's Jesus goes to hell?

What?

I'm not continuing this.
We are on the intro forum and not exactly allowed to argue about anything in here.
But arguing for the inclusion of catholics as a part of christianity... now there's something I'd never expect...