[split] Hello everyone

[Chili]

Neither I nor any other atheist needs to have been a theist beforehand in order to have reached our present position, if that's what you're trying to argue. All that is required to adopt the stance of identifying as atheist is the existence of theists. You hold a set of beliefs; I happen not to share them. It really doesn't get more complicated than that.

Don't worry about theist and atheist. I accept that atheism can be just a fear of America's culture influence by religion, from a distance even
and I would agree with you on this.

And I know, but as soon as you say that if we do not sin Jesus died for nothing you already tell me that he died for our sin and that is totally protestant.

As I understand it he died for the sins of his world and told us to do the same for the sins of our world, by his famous "follow me" and die to them just as he did to his.

To take this one step further please understand that Matthew and Mark's Jesus did that too, but he went back to Galilee again for likely another 40 years [to fry some more] and died there nonetheless (and maybe he sung "patient endurance" songs already then).

So my point here now is that when Jesus ascended to heaven also hell came crashing down and that is what Matthew and Mark are all about.

To be free from sin is to be free from religion and its slavery to righteousness while in absence of our unity within, and therefore there can be no such thing as a Christian religion, is what my argument would be on this.

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Ten pages, and my wondering if a troll is playing here comes to fruition.
I would like to give all you guys an attaboy for patience and being nice.
You deserve it.

I'm an atheist, but I sure know what catholicism is about. This one isn't what he claims to be.

And you know what? Catholicism is the same all over the world with the only difference that Mary is always local because she is the one who meets us at the gate of purgatory and leads us home from there.

So the basic mechanics are Universal and is local in our own life within every intelligent effort that we make, because each and every primary was incipient from her and therefore is subliminally ours as if our life is and always was predestined by her.

Not to make this complicated but there is a Buddhist poem on this called " A River Merchants Wife: A Letter" and that poem tells us how and why the water on which we float our life house-boat is hers and only hers (by Li Po).