(December 30, 2014 at 3:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(December 30, 2014 at 1:35 am)Lambert Wrote: But sorry sir, I never claimed to be theist. Catholics have the freedom to believe or not to believe, they always did, and I am just one of those. Catholics just do what Catholics do and are never asked what they believe to qualify. I.e. that is what infant baptism is all about.
And of course you can deny theism if your idea of theism includes the existence of a God or gods or anything to do with what we would call God, such as the trinity, that in Catholicism is freely expressed as metaphor to encounter later in life on our own, or not, to say that nobody will ever ask and/or tell you what to do.
And it is not my job as Catholic to convince you of anything. My reason for suggesting that atheism can be just a fear of religion is because in some religions great demands are made of its members, such as tithing, religious obligations and behavior modifications to fit the mold.
Fascinating.
So you're saying your whole church would be surprised at any link with Jesus? Who would you most identify with? Mary? The father? The spirit? The priest?
Not at all. Jesus was the spokesperson in the Gospels and that is all he was. I then added that the Gospels show us how transformation is done, or at least how it is supposed to be done because they make known the difference between what we call heaven and hell here on earth with Matthew and Mark being just opposite to Luke and John to make this difference known to us.
So important now is doing it right and therefore it is never a good idea to read the gospels with curious eyes because that can send the believer hell in a hurry, I suppose. This would be why Catholics just left Jesus hanging there as part of the act but not to say that he died for us then.
Mary is not part of the Trinity but comes to the fore after the collapse of the trinity itself. This would be when the father and son become one and the spirit is obviously redundant from then on.
