(December 29, 2014 at 10:56 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(December 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Lambert Wrote: ... but let me add that Christ never said anything for me to believe because Jesus was the spokesperson in the Gospels.

Lambert Wrote:I'll be a theist if you say but I personally object to you calling me a Christian.

Hey, it is what it is. I do not know what branch, sect, cult, whatever, of catholicism you practice, but I was raised a catholic and though I never adopted or believed any of that superstitious bullshit, I was still required to attend catechism for 13 years of my life and I have never heard of this crap you have come up with.

Deal with it, if you are a catholic, then you are a christian and a theist.

We had 6 years of Catechism (if that is what you call it). Our grade school did not go past grade 6. We are Roman Catholic and our grade school was a Catholic school. We had boy school by 'brothers' and girl school by 'nuns' and that was never past grade 6. Up to 52 kids in a class and never less than 45.

(December 30, 2014 at 12:50 am)Lambert Wrote: We had 6 years of Catechism (if that is what you call it). Our grade school did not go past grade 6. We are Roman Catholic and our grade school was a Catholic school. We had boy school by 'brothers' and girl school by 'nuns' and that was never past grade 6. Up to 52 kids in a class and never less than 45.

Which Catholic Church did you attend?

The Latin Church
(not to be confused with the Roman Rite, which is one of the Latin liturgical rites, not a particular Church)
Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church
Armenian Catholic Church
Belarusian Catholic Church
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
Chaldean Catholic Church
Coptic Catholic Church
Byzantine Church of Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church
Hungarian Byzantine Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church ; a.k.a. Italo-Greek Catholic Church
Macedonian Catholic Church
Maronite Catholic Church
Melkite Catholic Church
Romanian Catholic Church
Russian Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church ; usually called the "Byzantine Catholic Church" in the United States
Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Syriac Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
Apostolic Catholic Church
American Catholic Church in the United States
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
Catholic Charismatic Church of Canada
Celtic Catholic Church
Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
Communion of Christ the Redeemer
Community of the Lady of All Nations
Free Catholic Church
Liberal Catholic Church
Mariavite Church
Old Catholic Church
Old Catholic Church of America
Old Catholic Church in Europe
Old Roman Catholic Church in America
Palmarian Catholic Church
Philippine Independent Church
Polish National Catholic Church
True Catholic Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...ominations

(December 30, 2014 at 12:49 am)Stimbo Wrote: It's not my job as an atheist to deny theism. It's the theist's to demonstrate the validity of their position. I do know what theism is and accept it as a position, though I do not share it.

There is no "-ism" to atheism. It is a single response to a single issue, that of theistic claims. Hence, "not theism".

Now could you please explain what "atheism can be just a fear of America's culture influence by religion" means and how you arrived at that from anything I or anyone said?

But sorry sir, I never claimed to be theist. Catholics have the freedom to believe or not to believe, they always did, and I am just one of those. Catholics just do what Catholics do and are never asked what they believe to qualify. I.e. that is what infant baptism is all about.

And of course you can deny theism if your idea of theism includes the existence of a God or gods or anything to do with what we would call God, such as the trinity, that in Catholicism is freely expressed as metaphor to encounter later in life on our own, or not, to say that nobody will ever ask and/or tell you what to do.

And it is not my job as Catholic to convince you of anything. My reason for suggesting that atheism can be just a fear of religion is because in some religions great demands are made of its members, such as tithing, religious obligations and behavior modifications to fit the mold.

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(December 30, 2014 at 1:01 am)Full Circle Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 12:50 am)Lambert Wrote: We had 6 years of Catechism (if that is what you call it). Our grade school did not go past grade 6. We are Roman Catholic and our grade school was a Catholic school. We had boy school by 'brothers' and girl school by 'nuns' and that was never past grade 6. Up to 52 kids in a class and never less than 45.

Which Catholic Church did you attend?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...ominations

I think ours was called the Holy Catholic Church.

What it boils down to is that you just do not have the ability to understand the words theism and atheism.

Are you a child? Maybe the words we are using are too big.

(December 30, 2014 at 1:42 am)IATIA Wrote: What it boils down to is that you just do not have the ability to understand the words theism and atheism.

Are you a child? Maybe the words we are using are too big.

Nono, I am not a child, and language tells me that the a- prefix suggests that theism was prior to the objection made by the atheist.

(December 30, 2014 at 1:35 am)Lambert Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 1:01 am)Full Circle Wrote: Which Catholic Church did you attend?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...ominations

I think ours was called the Holy Catholic Church.

Not on the list of acknowledged Catholic sects, are you sure?

(December 30, 2014 at 2:08 am)Full Circle Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 1:35 am)Lambert Wrote: I think ours was called the Holy Catholic Church.

Not on the list of acknowledged Catholic sects, are you sure?

To tall to measure maybe?

I'm telling you he's a Poe

(December 30, 2014 at 1:35 am)Lambert Wrote: But sorry sir, I never claimed to be theist. Catholics have the freedom to believe or not to believe, they always did, and I am just one of those. Catholics just do what Catholics do and are never asked what they believe to qualify. I.e. that is what infant baptism is all about.

And of course you can deny theism if your idea of theism includes the existence of a God or gods or anything to do with what we would call God, such as the trinity, that in Catholicism is freely expressed as metaphor to encounter later in life on our own, or not, to say that nobody will ever ask and/or tell you what to do.

And it is not my job as Catholic to convince you of anything. My reason for suggesting that atheism can be just a fear of religion is because in some religions great demands are made of its members, such as tithing, religious obligations and behavior modifications to fit the mold.

Fascinating.

So you're saying your whole church would be surprised at any link with Jesus? Who would you most identify with? Mary? The father? The spirit? The priest?

Lambert Wrote:Catholics have the freedom to believe or not to believe, they always did, and I am just one of those.

Have you been typing something else, and your autocorrect has been substituting "Catholic" all the time? Because your story makes much more sense if I read Catholic as Diesel mechanic or hairdresser, just to name two examples