RE: Creation/evolution3
January 26, 2015 at 2:49 pm
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2015 at 3:07 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 26, 2015 at 2:04 pm)Drich Wrote: Proof? My link makes no such claims. If you want to make that claim then I ask that you support it. 'Here at Atheist forums we do not simply take things on unsubstainted faith. We demand proof.' That is a double edge sword that cuts boths ways sport.Sorry, it doesn't. You made a claim, and I understand all too well that you'd rather move on to -anything- other than demonstrating that claims veracity. You're looking for an out. That's not a service that I provide.
Quote:Either you can support what you said or you can't.Agreed. Again, this is what makes you a charlatan rather than simply ignorant.
Quote:I did a google search and it cant support your claims, so it looks bleak for anyone looking for the truth in finding foot trails off the silk road that were only used a couple dozen times in 2000 years.Ah, so you understand that "prove me wrong" doesn't work, eh? Charlatan.
Quote:What were those tents made from?Magic
Quote:Cloth, what do you think happened when the fabric was ripped, and could not be patched? do you think they threw it away?They didn't rip.......have you never read the story?
Quote:That is the difference between the Jews time spent in the desert and every other instance of someone just passing through.LOL, no, the difference between "teh jews" and those other groups that spent time wandering the desert..is that those other groups actually spent time wandering the desert. The only desert the jews wandered is the one between your ears.
Quote:Even the shoes. First of all The shoes weren't shoes, they were sandles which consisted of a leather/rawhide sole, and leather lashings to hold the sole in place. what happens when a precious resource like a leather sole wears out, is it thrown out? No.They....didn't...wear.....out. Read your story. Bible fail.
Quote:.Actually, the details would have helped you....because if the shoes don't wear out....why would they be left behind? Jesus christ Drich.......
Because your short sighted and you think they are helping you.
Quote:You wrote all of that because you -forgot- or never read one detail of that story.
Because this is not a matter of biblical scholarship. this is a matter of detail of the story, common historical practices in similar instances, and common sense when one takes in all the facts of the matter.
Duet 8:4 "Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years."
No, no, Drich says they boiled them...I;d boil my shoes to, if all i had to eat was fucking "manna". Unfortunately, you're at odds with your story, not just extra-biblical in this instance, demonstrably contra-biblical. I'll probably find plenty of occasions to remind you of this going forward..like, IDK..every time you claim to be giving us the straight dope directly from the good book.
-I'm a better apologist than you are, mull that over.....
Quote:where is it you think I'm going? I'm right here in the middle of the story in question literally going line by line taking your arguement apart.Another layer of fantasy to bicker about eh? As I've already said...anything to avoid responsibility for your own comments.
Quote:Because YOUR CHARGES AND CLAIMS ARE EXTRA-BIBLICAL.Who cares bible-man? I've never held it up as the gold standard. That's your standard...but oh how quickly you've abandoned it, huh?
Quote:What I did was demand that you compare apples to apples.Sure, I could compare exodus to any work of migratory fiction, any establishment myth/legend you'd like. Something tells me this wouldn't satisfy.
Quote:Uninterested in your link, my eyes have already had enough bullshit. Make your case, in your own words.
Quote: Ok, so... Because you found something wrong with me,Something -is- wrong with you.
Quote: you conclude my position was invalid hence your statement: "There isn't anything there Drich, exodus is fiction."Reading comprehension fail, hence my disregarding your comment on military movements and what we might expect to find in the wake.
Quote:You gave absolutly no other proof that the Exodus account was fiction besides what you believe to be wrong with me.I'm not required to prove you wrong, and whatever is wrong with you is -additional- to your failure to make your own case.
Quote:So again, your resoning here is literally defined in the Argumentum ad hominem fallacy.Another layer of fantasy, Ever going to get around to demonstrating the veracity of -any- of your claims?
You site a flaw in me, then use it to support your 'exodus is fiction' comment.
Pretty cut and dry Argumentum ad hominem fallacy.
Quote:The 'Drich narritive' states that their is no time line between the fall of Man and the end of creation.Then the Drich narrative would be wrong. We merely have to establish a point in time where all creatures mentioned in the narrative are existent, and then check that against the existence of cities and civilizations which your now extinct "monkeys with souls" encountered after being cursed by douchegod. We "know" that Adam lived 930 years (Gen5.5)...so that's our total margin of error for a second point of reference. He either lived all or some portion of those years outside of the garden (depending on your particular brand of bullshittery).
That, is how you do work. You're welcome. Would you like to run the numbers or would you like me to run the numbers? I'm appalled that you haven't taken the time...and also that you thought it couldn't be done, or that bible doesn't provide a timeline. I won't put any stock into the timeline we get....but it does exist....
Quote:Now can you conceed this point. If you can not then we can not proceed any further. This truth is evident as I have point out the lack of a time line between these two events.See above.
Quote:The issue: You believe the word theory to mean 'X'. When infact I have provided the actual word as it appears in the google dictionary, which has a more broad open ended meaning, therefore 'y'.It's not an issue of belief, if you want to talk evolution and theories, bring a fucking theory nitwit. You have a hypothesis, and an exceedingly shitty one at that.
Quote:What does it say about the man who is accuratly corrected by the 'retard' who everyone says (even you) is semi literate?That said semi-literate retard is doubling down on his semi-literate retardedness......
welcome to the short bus, my friend!
Quote: Again until you conceed that their is no timeline found in Genesis that seperate the end of creation with the fall of man, we can not go any further. That is how bible this study will work.-and yet the timeline exists, and can be found in genesis. All that's left to do is run numbers for specificity...and I've already had this conversation with you...the last time you foisted this tripe on us. Allowing for error on both sides of this range we're going to end up with an exceedingly specific range, out of 14billion years. You made all of this possible btw, and binding with regards to your hypothesis and subsequent argument. Thanks.
Trying for another out, though, I see. You decide your own level of involvement Drich, if you want to walk away from your own claims that's your business....I'd walk out on them myself, so I understand. This could be our moment though, where we come together and tease some actual information out of your bible. You're not interested?
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