RE: Climate change
May 14, 2015 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2015 at 10:15 am by robvalue.)
You can argue whatever side you want. It will probably help you to see both sides. From what you just said, you are an agnostic/weak atheist already.
Religious objective morality is usually God handing out rules, which are meant to be the best. That makes it subjective to God, so it's not even objective, and with no guarantee it's got anything to do with our wellbeing. We've discarded many of those rules, as clearly immoral by our improved standards.
If you mean is there a different "best" then it depends. In each situation you could make arguments for what is the most moral action, but you'll never get a complete consensus. We try and improve things, but as things change, so does morality and so does the environment. Morality can't be broken down into simple rules like the bible would like to say. The idea that morality can just exist somehow, without anyone to judge it, just as part of the universe, doesn't make sense.
In my opinion you've had "objective morality" drummed into your head for a long time so you're trying to keep it making sense.
It all comes down to the definition of morality. Is it about wellbeing or is about what God wants? They are not the same thing. If God exists, I don't care what makes him happy or sad, he can take care of himself. I'll deal with beings that don't hide from me for now.
Religious objective morality is usually God handing out rules, which are meant to be the best. That makes it subjective to God, so it's not even objective, and with no guarantee it's got anything to do with our wellbeing. We've discarded many of those rules, as clearly immoral by our improved standards.
If you mean is there a different "best" then it depends. In each situation you could make arguments for what is the most moral action, but you'll never get a complete consensus. We try and improve things, but as things change, so does morality and so does the environment. Morality can't be broken down into simple rules like the bible would like to say. The idea that morality can just exist somehow, without anyone to judge it, just as part of the universe, doesn't make sense.
In my opinion you've had "objective morality" drummed into your head for a long time so you're trying to keep it making sense.
It all comes down to the definition of morality. Is it about wellbeing or is about what God wants? They are not the same thing. If God exists, I don't care what makes him happy or sad, he can take care of himself. I'll deal with beings that don't hide from me for now.
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