(August 8, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(August 8, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: @Huggy
It does. Right here:
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And this doesn't show consciousness outside of a brain. Clearly, a brain was involved -_-
As if that was the only example given, explain this.
http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html
Quote:Pam heard and reported later what the nurses in the operating room had said and exactly what was happening during the operation. At this time, every monitor attached to Pam's body registered "no life" whatsoever.
Also
Quote:Some scientists theorize that NDEs are produced by brain chemistry. But, Dr. Peter Fenwick, a neuropsychiatrist and the leading authority in Britain concerning NDEs, believes that these theories fall far short of the facts. In the documentary, "Into the Unknown: Strange But True," Dr. Fenwick describes the state of the brain during an NDE:
"The brain isn't functioning. It's not there. It's destroyed. It's abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don't know what's happening and the brain isn't working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won't remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences [an NDE], you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact."
"The modern tradition of equating death with an ensuing nothingness can be abandoned. For there is no reason to believe that human death severs the quality of the oneness in the universe." - Larry Dossey, MD
Remember, Huggy, all this is coming from the website of a bloke trying to sell his books on this shit. Of course he's gonna make it all sound woo-ey and mysterious.
Also, wow, a quote from the leading expert on NDEs! How about a good old-fashioned peer reviewed study? It's not unethical to gather the experience of people undergoing similar traumas. Let's do that in a reliable way, then we'll talk. I don't trust sensationalism.
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Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."